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Are you familiar with Carp [1]?

[1] https://github.com/carp-lang/Carp


The "Developing Leadership" podcast [1] by Jason Werner (ex Github CTO) and Eiso Kant (founder Athenian) just did a three-part podcast series where this was also discussed. Can recommend.

[1]: https://developingleadership.co


I'm using Waltr[0] for this, works great.

[0]: https://softorino.com/w2


Looks nice. But $40 bucks though?


A lot of businesses are still forcing its employees to use IE.


then dropping IE support is a good way to force them focus on the job instead of surfing on the web. ;-)


Except when your app is meant to be used by them for work and their IT has them stuck on an old version of IE.

I know that customer requirements are pretty much unheard of in startup land but other companies have to obey this kind of limitation in order to make any money (which again is an alien concept in startup land -- not every business model survives on growth alone).


Sucks if your business's users are corporates and the CEO's PA books her bosses flights/hotels with a competitor


If they are really conservative, they surely book flights and hotels by phone, not web.


They'll change when it becomes a big enough problem. That's how business works.

Don't encourage them by supporting old IE's.


For a lot of business owners using an old version of IE, the browser is something to facilitate their bespoke ActiveX application. They probably don't care if their employees can browse less sites.

And on the flip side, a lot of those employees are a sizeable chunk of business for other businesses when they browse on their lunch breaks or whatever. So, large sites aren't going to fully drop support for any browser until after the market share has dried up.


That's their problem. They'll install Chrome. Quit making excuses. I've heard it all a thousand times. Stop supporting old browsers today and business will adapt.


I think you're assuming that the employees in question are permitted to install software freely on their work computers, and/or that the company decision-makers are aware of new sites/services they're denying themselves by their policy.

Firstly, the policy is there for a reason -- often something like "we paid a lot in 2003 for this custom software, and if we upgrade browsers we'll have to pay X to have it rewritten/replaced".

X may be a rather large sum of money -- easily enough to overwhelm whatever benefits they might get by becoming paying customers of whoever's new venture.

There's also a potential for a sort of catch-22; new sites/services may pop up that could even replace their old custom-built software... but if they can't even try it out and the site looks awful on their browsers, a) it's less likely they'll make the jump and b) it gives the impression of being a new-fangled flash-in-the-pan sort of thing. After all, the serious companies online put the effort into supporting older browsers.


Would buy it! Just picking up Erlang and loving it so far. Would love to learn more on performance as well.


The book is only 10 bucks if you buy the Kindle version on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Science-Interstellar-Kip-Thorne-ebook/...


iPhone app is coming soon! We developed it as an universal app, only need to redesign some of the screens.


This was how I installed it (Mac):

  1) Install latest version of Rust found here: http://www.rust-lang.org
  2) git clone --recursive git@github.com:rust-lang/cargo.git
  3) make
  4) make install (could be that sudo is needed for you)


I'm putting rust in $HOME/bin (and other self compiled software). You can change the default installation from /usr/local by running

  DESTDIR=$HOME make install


There is no brew formula?


For rust? There is...cargo not so much

aroch:~/staging/|⇒ brew info rust

rust: stable 0.10 (bottled), HEAD

http://www.rust-lang.org/

/usr/local/Cellar/rust/0.10 (74 files, 174M) *

  Poured from bottle
From: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/commits/master/Library/...

aroch:~/staging/|⇒ brew info cargo

Error: No available formula for cargo


Rust has a brew package. Cargo is new so it may be a day or three before it gets out there too.


Hmm, well, rust's brew seems a little outdated (0.10), so if you are intent on using Cargo soon, I would recommend on building rust yourself or grabbing a new binary from their website.


There is a homebrew-cask of Rust's nightly binary. I think this should work:

  brew tap caskroom/cask
  brew install brew-cask
  brew tap caskroom/versions
  brew cask install rust-nightly


Stuff being either in Cask or Homebrew is just terrible. Homebrew also has a versions tap. Those two projects should combine efforts and remove ambiguity.


I 100% agree with you. It took me like an hour to figure out where I thought it made sense to put rust-nightly, and I'm still not really sure I did it right. But it works and is way better than the morning compilation cronjob I used to use.


I agree, it works, but we need to keep pressing those guys... or contribute. Cask still doesn't have reinstall/upgrade. As far as I know, Homebrew can't upgrade packages with head versions, and, worst pain of all - Homebrew doesn't support Yosemite or any unreleased OS X version. Being a tool for developers primarily, all the above are must-haves!


And here is the announcement from Yehuda Katz:

https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/rust-dev/2014-June/010569...


Or, another alternative is Cap'n Proto [1] from the primary author of Protocol Buffers v2. It smooths some of the bumps of protocol buffers.

[1]: http://kentonv.github.io/capnproto/


Came here to write this. Promise pipelining is an especially interesting attempt to solve latency in RPC (although it doesn't always work).


I'd love to see Go support for capnproto RPC; I wish I had spare time.


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