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Everything in this thread even remotely anti-EU-regulation is being extreme downvoted


The regulations are pretty reasonable though.


Yeah it's kinda weird.

Feels like I need to go find a tech site full of people who actually like tech instead of hating it.


Your opinions aren't the problem, and tech isn't the problem. It's entirely your bad-faith strawman arguments and trolling.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44609135

That feeling is correct: this site is better without you. Please put your money where your mouth is and leave.


I think your command of the English language might be your issue


Don't know if I'm biased but it seems there has been a slow but consistent and accelerating redditification of hacker news.


It's the AI hype and the people who think they are hackers because they can ask a LLM to write code.


Idk I feel like there are a lot of non-technical people who work in tech here now.


Yeah I think that's part of it.

Probably partly because reddit somehow seems to have become even worse over the last several years. So there are probably more people fleeing


As others have pointed out, we like tech.

We don't like what trillion-dollar supranational corporations and infinite VC money are doing with tech.

Hating things like "We're saving your precise movements and location for 10+ years" and "we're using AI to predict how much you can be charged for stuff" is not hating technology


I like tech

I don't like meta or anything it has done, or stands for


See that's crazy though.

You don't like open source ML (including or not including LLMs, depending on how you feel about them)

You don't like React?

You don't like PyTorch?

Like a lot of really smart and really dedicated people work on pretty cool stuff at Meta. You don't have to like Facebook, Instagram, etc to see that.


To be fair, anyone who genuinely likes React is probably insane?

Plenty of great projects are developed by people working at Meta. Doesn't change the fact that the company as a whole should be split in at least 6 parts, and at least two thirds of these parts should be regulated to death. And when it comes to activities that do not improve anyone's life such as advertisement and data collection, I do mean literally regulated into bankruptcy.


Lol, I try to do as little frontend as possible anyway, seems like React is better than many alternatives though?

The comment I responded to said Meta didn't do anything good, which is obviously affecting their opinion on whether Meta opposing European AI regulation can possibly be good. Certainly there's a lot of not great stuff Meta does.


No we like tech that works for the people/public, not against them. I know its a crazy idea.


Tech and techies don't like to be monopolized


If you don't hate big tech you haven't paying attention. Enshittification became a popular word for a reason.


I like tech, but I despise cults


It is fascinating. I assume that the tech world is further to the left, and that interpretation of "left" is very pro-AI regulation.


Are you suggesting something here?


They're career regulators


Good. As Elon says, the only thing the EU does export is regulation. Same geniuses that make us click 5 cookie pop-ups every webpage


People complain more about cookie banners than they do the actual invasive tracking by those cookies.

Those banners suck and I wouldn't mind if the EU rolled back that law and tried another approach. At the same time, it's fairly easy to add an extension to your browser that hides them.

Legislation won't always work. It's complex and human behavior is somewhat unpredictable. We've let tech run rampant up to this point - it's going to take some time to figure out how to best control them. Throwing up our hands because it's hard to protect consumers from power multi-national corporations is a pretty silly position imo.


> than they do the actual invasive tracking by those cookies.

maybe people have rationally compared the harm done by those two


can you expand on what sort of rationality would lead a person to consider an at worst annoying pop-up to be more dangerous than data exfiltration to companies and governments that are already acting in adversarial ways? The US government is already using people's social media profiles against them, under the Cloud act any US company can be compelled to hand data over to the government, as Microsoft just testified in France. That's less dangerous than an info pop up?

Of course it has nothing to do with rationality. They're mad at the first thing they see, akin to the smoker who blames the regulators when he has to look at a picture of a rotten lung on a pack of cigarettes


gdpr doesn't stop governments. governments are already spying without permission and they exploit stolen data all the time. so yes, the cost of gdpr compliances including popups is higher than the imperceptible cost of tracked advertising.


For one that is objectively incorrect. GDPR prevents a whole host of data collection outright, shifts the burden for corporations to collecting the minimal amount of data possible, and gives you the right to explicitly consent into what data can be collected.

Being angry at a popup that merely makes transparent, what a company tries to collect from you, and giving you the explicit option to say no to that, is just infantile. It basically amounts to saying that you don't want to think about how companies are exploiting your data, and that you're a sort of internet browsing zombie. That is certainly a lot of things, but it isn't rational.


They didn't give us that. Mostly non-compliant websites gave us that.


The the entire ad industry moved to fingerprinting, mobile ad kits, and 3rd party authentication login systems so it made zero difference even if they did comply. Google and Meta aren't worried about cookies when they have JS on every single website but it burdens every website user.


This is not correct, the regulation has nothing to do with cookies as the storage method, and everything to do with what kind of data is being collected and used to track people.

Meta is hardly at blame here, it is the site owners that choose to add meta tracking code to their site and therefore have to disclose it and opt-in the user via "cookie banners"


that's deflecting responsibility. it's important to care about the actual effects of decisions, not hide behind the best case scenario. especially for governments.

in this case, it is clear that the EU policy resulted in cookie banners


This thread is people going "EU made me either choose to tell you that I spy on you or stop spying on you, now I need to tell everyone I spy on them, fucking EU".


Elon is an idiot.

If he disagrees with EU values so much, he should just stay out of the EU market. It's a free world, nobody forced him to sell cars in the EU.


Trump literally started a trade war because the EU exports more to the US than vice versa.


He also did the war thing on the UK which imports more from the US than it exports. He just likes trade wars I think.


Ran a bunch of stop losses (momentum ignition) while conning everyone into thinking it was all about being a math genius, but what do I know


Morons .... need to hire some IT staff that know what they're doing.


LOL 3 month long videos ...


Kinda necessary isn't it? What would you replace it with?


Interesting that the article picks Notion as its example. For me too it seems like I am initially NEVER logged in no matter how often I login to Notion.


Satya is a BOSS!


Predictably, the new design sucks. It compresses and obscures multiple workspace icons all onto one icon, so I have to hover it to see what I could see previously without a hover.

And of course you can't "switch back to the old experience"


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