Makes sense, really, even if some posters can't seem to fathom giving up money to sleep soundly at night.
This is like kicking kittens and then announcing to the world that you're going to stop kicking kittens. Then why kick kittens in the first place?
No one made Marco create an ad blocking app. No one demanded his coordination with Ghostery. No one demanded that he announce it with great fanfare on his site. Moralizing about him stopping it ignores that it was just a few short days ago that he started it.
And now he deserves accolades for stopping it? This is an incredible discussion. Countless other people with the ability and the means, who actually had convictions about this topic, didn't create ad blockers (much less for personal reward). Others still, who have convictions that favor ad blockers, did and stand by their moral compass. Either groups are in a far better position than Arment's "have it both ways" perspective.
You kick kittens because you didn’t really think about it, then you think about it and you stop. Humans make errors in judgement all the time. That’s just ordinary.
Also, he himself clearly says that he doesn’t think blocking ads is somehow undoubtedly immoral (like kicking kittens) or something. He makes a much more subtle argument, basically saying it’s a complex issue and he doesn’t feel confident in his ability to make the right decisions looking forward in his stewardship of what would probably have been one of the most popular ad blockers on the platform.
He just doesn’t want to make those decisions. He feels uncomfortable making them. That’s it. I think that’s a very sensible argument for pulling the app, especially if you expected this app to be not very popular in the first place.
especially if you expected this app to be not very popular in the first place
The anticipation about adblockers on iOS has been fervent and growing for a while now. Marco went and setup an agreement with one of the larger purveyors of block lists, then utilizing that to all advantages to corner the market. I find it highly dubious that he didn't think it would be lucrative.
The ramifications and gray area of adblocking are not new. They are not unknown. This has been a discussion for literally years. As with others, it seems obvious that there is something else that motivated this sudden change of perception, and personally I would wager that very shortly we'll see Ghostery skip the middle man and release their own blocker, probably with some financial considerations.
What argument are you making? The person you are arguing against is saying that Marco didn't fully realize what he was getting into, quickly did realize it, felt uncomfortable, then got out. If your argument is that Marco should have realized what he was getting into, then you're not disagreeing with anyone, including Marco.
> This is like kicking kittens and then announcing to the world that you're going to stop kicking kittens. Then why kick kittens in the first place?
Sure. That having been said, people do things all the time without realizing how it's going to make them feel. Marco made an ad blocker, turns out it made him feel bad, so he's going to stop doing it. Fair enough.
I'm not trying to suggest Marco is some Saint here. Like you said, he created this problem for himself in the first place. I just can't believe how unwilling HN's readership is to believe that there isn't some ulterior motivation behind him pulling the app.
Not really, because now all those who bought "Peace" in good faith feel bad. We trusted this guy to deliver a good product and then it disappears under us. Grrrrr..
I know and the money is not the issue, it is the wasted time and trust. It is like getting a new iPhone with a broken glass. So, for one guy to feel good, 100K others (customers) now feel bad. And you know as well as me that only a small percentage will do the refund thing. So, yeah there is both harm and foul here.
After my post has been moderated down to the abyss, Marco has announced that he has given the app code to Ghostery, who'll certainly release an app in short order. And for which all logic states Arment will receive financial considerations.
My post above is completely accurate. The moral grandstanding is an embarrassment, and it's worse how well this noise works on HN.
This is like kicking kittens and then announcing to the world that you're going to stop kicking kittens. Then why kick kittens in the first place?
No one made Marco create an ad blocking app. No one demanded his coordination with Ghostery. No one demanded that he announce it with great fanfare on his site. Moralizing about him stopping it ignores that it was just a few short days ago that he started it.
And now he deserves accolades for stopping it? This is an incredible discussion. Countless other people with the ability and the means, who actually had convictions about this topic, didn't create ad blockers (much less for personal reward). Others still, who have convictions that favor ad blockers, did and stand by their moral compass. Either groups are in a far better position than Arment's "have it both ways" perspective.