Please This is a false dichotomy and typically parroted by upper middle class indians who had enough resources to pay for graduate school in USA. The system could use tweaks and points to grade applications but you are presentin a very naive a class based view of the situation.
You might feel that you could convince immigration hardliners by this argument but in reality most are motivated by ideology rather than rationality. At the same time you will alienate other indians.
With lotteries, 7+ year racist country based quotas and 12 Million undocumented immigrants it's a system which long due for a comprehensive reform don't waste time defending it.
Sorry? How is scrutinizing applications for employment a naive view of the situation? Isn't it obvious that if an application is not genuine it should be cancelled (eg., working for a "client", where the "client" is a shell company)?
I'm not trying to convince anyone and I personally don't care what other Indians (as I'm Indian) think about my opinion. I only represent my opinion not theirs (and they are free to have their own and disagree with mine).
On your immigration comment, if you are an American citizen you have the right to claim what you say about the immigration situation in the US. As far as I am concerned, I have no say in the immigration debate as an H1B worker. All I am concerned about is to work on challenging problems and advance my career, that's it. I am not using the so called H1B "restrictions" as an excuse for all ills as a potential immigrant.
Do I get extra points regarding my opinion if I am native American, what if my ancestors were aboard Mayflower or were grudgingly accepted as Irish or if they were slaves. United States has a complex racial history which includes laws such the Chinese Exclusion act (something that lead Supreme Court to affirm birthright citizenship). To claim that by virtue of not being an American Citizen I have no right to offer an informed opinion based on moral analysis is ridiculous. What next according to your logic then any black man should not have considered himself to be an equal or should have offered an opinion until civil rights were changed. Or no one should have complained about Hitler. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound. United States is a unique country of immigrants with a chequeed past.
With an argument like this no doubt you are parroting stupidity. Wake up Ashwin, life is not just about advancin career.
Yes of course, how could I forget that an H1B worker is going through the same plight as a colored person pre-civil rights time and what Jews faced during Hitler's reign :)
Wow! Hyperbole at it's best.
> "To claim that by virtue of not being an American Citizen I have no right to offer an informed opinion based on moral analysis"
Again, I never said you can't have an opinion. You have your opinion and I have mine. We agree to disagree and I like to live in reality rather than hyperbole.
You do realize that Jews were actually forbidden to enter and as a result millions died. Or that as early as 1965 when immigration and nationality act was enacted lifting country based caps to certain extent. Several US Congressman reassurred the public that the country won't be overrun by "dirty hindoos" (No kidding) if you are naive enough to thing that the current immigration and H1B logjam is not result of those past laws and you ought to not argue or even offer an opinon. Well then good luck with your career with this attitude one day you will wake up with your boss screwing you and you would be a nice sheep docile and ready for sacrifice.
I am fully aware of these historical facts and I'm also aware of racist people (I used to live in Texas for 7 years). But how are these related to a US govt. issued legal immigrant visa i.e. H1B?
Did you arrive in the US in a clunky boat fearing for your life and running away from a despot on an H1B?
Please don't compare the challenges of H1B workers to events in which people were actually murdered or lived in fear of their death. It's ridiculous.
If your premonition of being sacrificed is true, oh my, what would I do if I lose my job? I would be so lost...lol!
I have the confidence (not arrogance) in my abilities to find another one :)
And BTW, I was laid off my first job in late 2008 (during the recession) and I found another job. And this confidence comes from the fact that I take my career goals seriously and don't hide behind the veil of a fake victim.
> I am fully aware of these historical facts and I'm also aware of racist people (I used to live in Texas for 7 years).
It comments like these that make me believe you like to stereotype people. That does not help your arguments. The most absolute racist people I have ever met were from Washington DC and it would be wrong to assume everyone there was a racist.
I did not arrive fearing for my life but so did not the guy from Germany or Singapore. Why should birthplace of a person be allowed as a criteria for discrimination.
Are you serious, you never heard of families under strain because 6 years into their Green Card application they had to suddenly leave, while at the same time other countries citizen could get a job. Or where someone on OPT couldn't leave to visit their dying parents since his attorney warned him that he might not be given entry. Not everyone is born with silverspoon. Or families torn apart. All that means nothing?
Your extensive use of "I" indicates general inability to empathize. with such a narcissistic frame of reference no doubt everything is "fake" according to you.
Asking for just, fair and equal treatment regardless of the nationality and place of birth is not being a "fake victim". It's a cause worth fighting for.
Haha..I love debating with you. Your hyperbole gets even better.
>"Why should birthplace of a person be allowed as a criteria for discrimination."
Because that is the law of the land and it is fair since the number of green cards are allotted EQUALLY to all countries [1]. We just happen to be from a country where there are more number of applicants than green cards available. If it were discriminatory, why did the EB priority dates of China move up multiple years? It's because the EB applications from Chinese nationals have dropped considerably, not because the US is suddenly schmoozing to Chinese nationals.
> "you never heard of families under strain because 6 years into their Green Card application they had to suddenly leave"
Life events happen (do you expect your life to be smooth sailing?) and you have to take decisions based on it. Let me tell you something, H1B is way way more permissive than work visas in most of Europe and Middle East. Chew on that for a minute.
> "Or where someone on OPT couldn't leave to visit their dying parents"
This cannot be a regular occurrence. Again, this is hyperbole.
> "Or families torn apart. All that means nothing?"
Were you kidnapped from your family and brought to the US in a shipping container with 100's of other people? All of us "left our families" and came here with our own FREE WILL. No one brought you here against your free will.
I use "I" because these are my opinions and I don't speak for anyone else. I definitely do not empathize with hyperbole, I can tell you that :)
Please read the link below before passing judgments on hearsay.
Dude you are seriously retarded if you don't realize the discrimination.
Here is the article by The Hill that lays out the case and how it affects Indians , Chinese and people from Philippines.
If I'm retarded, please explain to me how a 7% cap per year on all countries is discriminatory and not fair?
Would you propose 50% or 100% going to India?
That would be discriminatory to other countries.
Stop being emotional and falling for arguments that favor your point of view.
"In 2011, it passed overwhelmingly in the House by 389 to 15."
"Per-country quotas restrict individuals from any single country seeking to come to the U.S. to no more than 7 percent of the green cards available in any category in any year. This restriction favors those from small countries at the expense of those from larger ones. By treating nationality as the relevant factor, India is treated equally with Luxembourg, but Indian immigrants are massively disadvantaged.
Equality in theory, inequality in practice. It is a system of expedited processing for people from less populous countries; it is arbitrary and unfair. The large countries that are most disadvantaged — the Philippines, India, China and Mexico — are all non-European nations that, until recently, had little ethnic representation in the U.S.
While the issue is ignored, the lines for visas have stretched to absurd lengths. Adult children of U.S. citizens from Mexico, Philippines, India and China can expect seven- to 21-year waiting periods. Workers from China, India and the Philippines with a college degree or less will have to wait between two and 10 years.
There are no legitimate reasons for this discrimination for any immigrants, but the system is particularly perverse for employment-based immigrants. Arbitrarily delaying hires punishes the American economy, costing us productivity, innovation and competitiveness.
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An argument that was accepted by a significant majority of congressmen but is simply pending due to refusal by immigration hardliners to reach any kind of compromise on undocumented immigration.
> Because that is the law of the land and it is fair since...
By the argument, any legal discrimination that blankets entire groups of people with the same random chance is right and fair. Slavery - OK as long as blacks kidnapped from any African country were treated equally. Segregation - OK as long as blacks anywhere in America got the same treatment. It sounds like a wind-up, but really immigration discrimination is just like race or gender discrimination. It's not fair. The difference is that popular culture hasn't graced it with its wand of disapproval so most people can't recognize it.
Please explain to me how a 7% cap per year on all countries is discriminatory and not fair?
As I've mentioned earlier to secondtimeuse, please don't compare the challenges of H1B workers to events in which people were actually murdered or lived in fear of their death. It's ridiculous.
You might feel that you could convince immigration hardliners by this argument but in reality most are motivated by ideology rather than rationality. At the same time you will alienate other indians.
With lotteries, 7+ year racist country based quotas and 12 Million undocumented immigrants it's a system which long due for a comprehensive reform don't waste time defending it.