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If birds descended from dinosaurs, why are they warm-blooded? (2010) (abc.net.au)
53 points by networked on April 16, 2016 | hide | past | favorite | 19 comments


This review article may also be of interest, "The evolution of concepts on the evolution of endothermy in birds and mammals" (2004): https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Pawet_Koteja/publicatio... [pdf]


Interestingly enough, some fish also have the ability to heat parts of their bodies and the opah/moohfish seems to be fully endothermic.

See: http://io9.gizmodo.com/behold-the-first-fully-warm-blooded-f...


Because dinosaurs were warm blooded.


Birds are also scientifically classified as dinosaurs[1].

> "Avialae ("bird wings") is a clade of dinosaurs containing their only living representatives, the birds."

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avialae


As the article states, some dinosaurs were definitely warm blooded, some were definitely cold blooded, but where in the tree the transition happened is very much unknown.


Then why did they go extinct?


Due to a gigantic asteroid strike. Interestingly, crocodiles, which are cold blooded creatures, survived OK.


This article doesn't make the connection, but it's an interesting hypothesis to assume that all cold blooded creatures that were big couldn't maintain their body temperature after a drop in temperature from a comet impact, but that creatures that were small already were better in coping with fluctuations because of their smaller size.


It's more likely that large creatures couldn't get enough food, because sunlight was blocked by dust clouds and a lot of plant life died as well.

The percentage of Oxygen on the atmosphere might also have been affected, making large lifeforms unable to function efficiently enough.


The thought the latest theory was the entire earth was engulfed in flames from the impact and killed almost everything except stuff underground / underwater

http://www.radiolab.org/story/dinopocalypse/


I didn't listen to this audio, but if this were true, shouldn't geologist have already discovered a layer of ashes spanning the whole world?


they did.


This presupposes that dinosaurs are cold-blooded which apparently is a matter of dispute: http://www.livescience.com/51162-dinosaurs-warm-blooded-grow...


No, in fact, the whole point is discussion of the evolution of warm-bloodedness among dinosaurs. Are you just guessing what the content might be based on the headline and reacting based on that guess?


> the whole point is discussion of the evolution of warm-bloodedness among dinosaurs.

And the question of whether dinosaurs were really cold-blooded is obviously a part of that discussion.


No, the article explicitly states that it is unknown which species were endothermic.


>> "What we can see in the fossil record is a number of bird-like theropods with hair-like structures and simple downy feathers. Being mostly small creatures [they must have generated their own body heat] and evolved hairs and feathers to help retain the body heat they generated," says Willis.

Is it possible that feathers evolved first, for some other reason, particularly mating displays, and, once evolved, opened the way to endothermy?

[Disclaimer: I'm completely not a biologist at all, so this is probably a stupid question, but I seriously wonder nonetheless]

Edit: Funny typo in the article. The phylogenetic tree of dinosaurs says: "Theropods (meating-eating dinosaurs)".

Aye. They're dinosaurs that meet you and eat you.


"descended from" is kind of a common misconception about evolution. Birds and Dinosaurs have common ancestors. Earlier researchers thought they were closely related to reptiles, but more recent research has shown they have a lot more in common with birds.

It's still somewhat of a mystery as to why dinosaurs went extincted. A very large asteroid did hit the Earth at the end of the Cretaceous. But there was a lot of other thing happening on Earth at that time. Pangea was breaking up and major waterways/oceans were opening up at that time, so there was likely major climate changes occurring, incearse Volcanism, etc..


I suspect it's because birds fly high and in cold wind, they had to evolve, or they would crash down like a frozen cube (at the very least stiff muscles and wings are not beneficial to flight). Quite the pressure from survival of the fittest.




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