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> I would say religion is compatible with anything:

The is only the case for the particular religion called Deism, which believes the creator god created the universe (including natural laws and all) but apart from that is totally hands-off. Most religions are not like that, but believes God or gods influence the world.

Deism is practically indistinguishable from atheism. It was popular among 18-century thinkers because it was believed religion was necessary for the good of society. Deism allows you to justify religions institutions and rituals without really believing in anything supernatural.



Well, I would say most religions have been forced then to become more and more "Deistic", since the influence of god in the world has become less and less easy to sustain.

Current religions still claim that god takes part in the daily works of men and nature, but have taken a less outspoken attitude, since making open and concrete claims open them to ridicule.


I wonder if any significant proportion of the religious community these days actually seriously identifies as a deist.

(I've always found deism weird -- at least outside the historical context -- if a god doesn't influence the world in any way whatsoever... what would be the point? At that point it seems to just be a placeholder for "I don't know".)


I think the point of deism is you can still justify religion as an institution, so it was favored by "conservative" thinkers who believed religion was necessary for morality and for society. Atheism has historically been associated with opposition towards religious institutions.


The short answer to that is: No. The long answer is: Fuck no. (Sorry, just had to put that Stephen Fry joke in there!)

The whole point of the "historical context" that I, and the post I responded to, referred to is that "deism" served as a sort of "escape hatch" in that you could refer to yourself as a deist and usually avoid being persecuted as an unbeliever/heretic/atheist -- the latter of which I'd wager most of the deists actually were (for all practical purposes) even if the term might not have been invented then.

The deists were actually some of the most freethinking (i.e. non-conservative) people of their time.

EDIT: Wikipedia actually has a marvellous page on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism . Incidentally the page also answered my question (for the US, at least): Apparently 0.02% of people in the US identified as deists in a survey conducted in 2001. Quite a few years ago to be sure, but I don't imagine it's grown a lot.


Well I shouldn't have used the term "conservative" since it is too politicized, but I'm thinking of sentiment like Voltaires statement that "if God didn't exist it would be necessary to invent him". This in opposition to the more radical atheism which believed that religious belief in itself was bad. Obviously Voltaire was very critical towards the church, but believed religion itself was valuable.


Prominent deists tended to also be major detractors of religious institutions (not just particular religious institutions, but the idea of religion and religious institutions), and very often were liberal rather than conservative thinkers, so I find the idea that deism was somehow a conservative response to justify religion as an institution to be rather hard to swallow.


I shouldn't have used the term "conservative", since it is being interpreted as the political position, but I just meant the deists typically saw value in religion and God as a concept, while often being critical towards the actual church. This in contrast to more radical atheism which sought to eradicate religion.




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