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How scientific of you! :)

> but who would want to keep using Bing long enough to quantify the suck?

20% of the market?



Even if we believe the 20% figure, what's the chance that they made that choice?

Considering Microsoft popularized the dark pattern of changing preferences during auto-updates...


Sigh.

> Even if we believe the 20% figure,

Those are widely accepted.

> Considering Microsoft popularized the dark pattern of changing preferences during auto-updates...

You think Google never does anything like that?

http://hothardware.com/news/google-paid-apple-1-billion-for-...

http://www.wired.com/2016/04/eu-accuses-google-antitrust-vio...

> According to the complaint, Google requires companies that want to bundle Google’s apps with their products to make Google Search the default search engine on those devices. They’re even offered financial incentives to not even include any other search engines, European authorities allege.

When Google does it, it is all kosher I guess.


>> the 20% figure,

> Those are widely accepted.

Almost every time I saw IE, or MSN, and now Bing, I'd been tricked into using it.

MS users are rarely voluntary users, I know because I've been one.

> When Google does it

You're getting pretty defensive. Does that means you admit MS does it and the only defense is that other companies might as well?

What's your estimate of people who have tried two or more search or mapping engines and have intentionally settled on the Microsoft product?


> You're getting pretty defensive.

You are the one fetishizing Google. I know MS and Google are both slimy. Google just has a better PR machine.

> and the only defense

I am not defending MS.

> What's your estimate of people who have tried two or more search or mapping engines and have intentionally settled on the Microsoft product?

Most normal people don't know what a search engine and just go with the default.

http://techcrunch.com/2009/10/06/google-a-web-browser-is-not...

http://techcrunch.com/2009/06/17/yeah-what-is-a-browser-anyw...


> Most normal people don't know what a search engine and just go with the default.

Exactly. Microsoft's users are there because they don't know about the alternatives or are locked in.

> You are the one fetishizing Google. I know MS and Google are both slimy. Google just has a better PR machine.

I see, it is a personal thing for you.

I was just saying that Microsoft's services are essentially unusable. That's not because of Bill or Ballmer, but because Bing is just bad.

The only reason I'm mentioning dark patterns is to say that it's 20% with all the cheating they can do. Not because one in five people thinks their offering has value.




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