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> USA puts nukes in Turkey => USSR puts nukes in Cuba.

Well, let's not forget Hungary and Poland, shall we?

> The same kind of attitude towards Iran is common, too.

Iran is pretty agressive in its rethoric on how it wants to wipe out a certain democracy by the Mediterranean.




"let's not forget Hungary and Poland"

Hungary and Poland had nukes??

"Iran ... wants to wipe out a certain..."

Iran wants to wipe out, US are wiping out the whole countries and don't seem to know how to stop.


> Hungary and Poland had nukes??

No, they tried to get independent from USSR. Even the somewhat liberal USSR government at that time decided to crush them.

> Iran wants to wipe out, US are wiping out the whole countries and don't seem to know how to stop.

I cannot and will not defend everything US does and I freely admit they have made a lot of questionable moves over the years. Still broadly hyperbolic statements like yours doesn't help I think. US is more of a clumsy and somewhat selfish giant than an evil giant but many (including myself and my parents) are very happy that US has intervened in a number of conflicts as well as made clear that the rest of Europe wasn't up for taking. (Modern Russia doesn't seem to evil either but former USSR proved to be a legitimate source of concern for smaller countries with common borders.)


First, a bit of nitpicking. You probably meant Hungary and Czechoslovakia. Two notorious rebellions took place is 50's and 60's.

1. Either way, the original argument was that some Soviet actions were reactions to actions of US (nukes in Cuba etc). No one says that Soviets were saints.

2. To simple people without guns in Iraq, Lybia and Syria the clumsiness of US may be a weak consolation.

As a side note, looks like people are blind to what is happening in the world before their eyes. We are all smart in hindsight, e.g. blaming Soviets for the crap they have done. But, what amazes me, is that actions of US, brutal, barbarian bombings, regime changes, plunging countries and millions of people into chaos, are not condemned at all! On the contrary, US is very proud of what they are doing (looks like they are going into 4/8 more years of it). It will probably take a number of years before people are able to reflect on what damage US has done in the past 20 years.


I meant Hungary and Poland. Czechoslovakia was 1968, long after the missile crisis.

> 1. Either way, the original argument was that some Soviet actions were reactions to actions of US (nukes in Cuba etc). No one says that Soviets were saints.

Agree. Only, however dumb or not - I can't say, US decision to move nukes to Europe was most likely a reaction to something as well. That "something" might very well have been USSR aggressively expanding into Europe.

> 2. To simple people without guns in Iraq, Lybia and Syria the clumsiness of US may be a weak consolation.

Totally agree, only your original post was a bit hyperbolic as well as made it seem like US was doing this with evil intents (no doubt some US citizens, also in the Military complex are evil but I don't approve of the whole nation being more evil than others.)

> But, what amazes me, is that actions of US, brutal, barbarian bombings, regime changes, plunging countries and millions of people into chaos, are not condemned at all!

Don't know where you have been, around here they are condemned a lot for all kinds of good reasons, just like e.g. Israel, mentioned upthread. And just like Israel they get a lot of additional hate from what seems to be uncritical underdog-supporters.

I don't say any of them don't deserve critic; I just say we shouldn't judge them without taking into account the whole situation.

PS: Same happens with Microsoft, and as someone who has disliked MS strongly for most of my career I appreciate that I can like them now, it gives me hope that I am not a totally hopeless fanboy in other situations either.


>Iran is pretty agressive in its rethoric on how it wants to wipe out a certain democracy by the Mediterranean.

Apartheid. Palestinians are under occupation, will not get their own state and cannot vote.

The rhetoric is only aggressive once it's gone through the media filter. What they actually said is closer in meaning to what some wet Jewish New York liberals say - that Israel "the Jewish state" should be consigned to the dustbin of history.


Well, anytime Israel give them a little more room they use it to move their rocket launchers closer. That is not a particularly smart move unless you want to keep the conflict going.

Also: Arab citizens in Israel can vote, - Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank can vote in Gaza.

As for the media filter that is really interesting (I think there is a grain of truth to it) but more than that you have to show evidence.


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