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"Can you explain further?"

No other western country (to my knowledge) has secret courts, that were also proven to target tech companies. If such reason is not enough for you, I don't know what else could it be then.




right, but we already covered that. there is no court order in the world that can compel to you to provide what you do not have. so why is the US a bad place for ZCash to incorporate?


Are you sure such argument would fly against (possibly and probably technically illiterate) judge? I'm not. Apple was a separate case, because it is publicly known and loved company, and there are very few companies that have luxury to say the same. How did that play out to Lavabit (that's a controversial example, but it's to illustrate that court doesn't hesitate to crush a company to achieve its goal)? Also, RSA scenario[1] is not unrealistic too imho.

That's it, I'm not going to argue in circles anymore, I don't trust and will not trust any US based, privacy related tech company unless something fundamentally changes in its legal and power structures -- there are more than enough reasons and examples for me. If you do -- that's fine by me.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA_BSAFE#Dual_EC_DRBG_backdoo...


Forum-shopping is a problem, I don't disagree. But Apple didn't win that case on PR, and Lavabit didn't lose that case by making smart decisions. These are not analagous situations.

If you could name a single country that would offer better protections, we might have something to talk about. Western Europe, seriously? [1]

The reason we are going in circles is because you're unwilling to trust ZCash, not because of where it's incorporated. If, like me, you trusted ZCash, it wouldn't matter to you where their articles of incorporation were filed, because you would trust that the zero-knowledge implementation would prevent law enforcement from mattering at all. If open source, audited code by some of the brightest minds in the space doesn't earn your trust, nothing will. IcelandBux won't save you.

1. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/05/france-passes-...


The software is open source with reproducible builds. I'm not saying this is a magic wand, but it's a significant difference from the other cases.




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