We'll agree to disagree.

If he said "Please don't use our servers with your custom client, shit might break. You could run your own infra and keep it up to date with us and we'll federate", this would be reasonable.

Instead, if you read that thread a bit more he throws up his hands and says federation is a thing of the past because he had a bad experience with CM. Yeah, because we don't still use federated standards like email and telephony every day. Come on.

https://github.com/LibreSignal/LibreSignal/issues/37#issueco...

Yes, and because it's a federated protocol, it still sends every damn thing in cleartext by default.

Federation does not require things to be transmitted in cleartext by default. Don't know where you're pulling that from.

Federated standards have problems with spam and rolling out encryption-by-default. This applies to both examples you mentioned.