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My grandfather owned many apple orchards, and he said without migrant labor, he would have had to go out of business years ago. He could not hire US citizens as workers because nobody that is born here wants to climb trees all day picking fruit for minimum wage. This was back in the 80s. He also had very good things to say about how hard-working and dedicated the migrant workers were.

Now, you might argue that without migrant labor, he should just pay a decent wage, but what is a decent wage for hard manual labor? Would you be ok with paying $10 an apple at the grocery store because someone was paid $30-40 an hour to pick them?

The narrative that illegal immigrants are all criminals is deeply flawed and inaccurate.



> He could not hire US citizens as workers because nobody that is born here wants to climb trees all day picking fruit for minimum wage.

Then he may have to pay over minimum wage!


Then he would have to charge 10$/apple at the store, his follow-up point.


No. The numbers don't work. A typical apple picker (the most labor intense/apple part of the work) can do 1000 lb/hour [1]

So even if you had to pay domestic workers $30/hour, and you could pay migrants nothing, that still only comes to charging 3 cents a pound more. Not $8.

[1] Just an example, but others say the same: https://www.thepennyhoarder.com/jobs-making-money/side-gigs/...


It makes me wonder to what extent migrant labor features in the other parts of that apple's value chain, though.

Much of the price of that apple comes from the farmhands who loaded the truck, the truckdriver who drove it, the gas that the truck burned, the warehouse that stored it, the shopkeeper that stocked it, and the cashier that sold it. I don't know the prevalence of migrant workers in each of those industries - but looking around, I'd guess that lots of cashiers, lots of farmhands, and maybe a few truckdrivers and gas station attendants are also immigrants. If you had to pay them $30-40/hour, would the apple still cost a dollar?


Only a few of those are labor cost issues, and most of those are not typically migrant labor (truck drivers and grocery employees). That leaves the truck loaders, which is much less work per apple than picking.

Point being, this "$10/lb" is extreme exaggeration.

Now, it's probably true that orchard owners would love the free 3 cents a pound (or 2, or 1). And they're not going to leave money on the table when others can get away with hiring cheaper illegal labor. But the idea that apples have to be that much more expensive is pushing it.


And, I'm not saying this is wrong, but it appears to me that most people living here have voted with their wallet.

If you compare food prices in nordic countries where labor is more fairly priced, you'll see how dramatically more expensive everything is.


I'd love to see a formal study on how often Americans "go out" for food rather than buy from a grocery and cook it themselves. In Scandinavia, the cost difference between eating-in and going-out is much, much larger than here in the USA.


how many apples per hour does a worker pick? If you paid a worker an extra $20/hour you don't get $10/apple at the store unless the worker only picks two apples an hour, now, does it?

Not paying farm workers acceptable salaries otherwise things at the grocery store will cost 5x don't seem to pass the math smell test...


It's only a problem if his competitors aren't.


> The narrative that illegal immigrants are all criminals is deeply flawed and inaccurate.

Illegal immigrants are, by definition, all criminals.


No need to be pedantic; the narrative that they are all gang members, rapists, hard, violent criminals is deeply flawed and inaccurate.


It's not a criminal offense. Not everything that is unlawful is criminal.




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