An employer is paying six figures to an employee. In exchange for said salary, employee works set hours and within that time, is supposed to work for the employer and anything they create within that period is owned by the employer.
However, in the comments. It seems like everyone wants their cake and eat it too? Which is to say, if I'm working for you between the contracted hours of 9 to 5. And if I am working on a personal project that the employer is not going to benefit, I should keep the IP. Even though the employer is paying for my time?
Note, this isn't about working outside of the contracted hours at home, nor is it about staying late and using company resources to develop said project and claiming IP belongs to the employee.
For large companies like github. They could probably be more flexible. But for smaller companies, every working daylight hour to them is needed and required for projects to deliver on-time.
These very same companies would argue that all code/IP belongs to them. That they woudn't want employees working on pet projects in THEIR paid time.
Kinda sounds to me, that people here wants 3 things.
1) Pay me a large wage > north of 6 figures.
2) If I code something for me during working hours, it's MINE.
3) If I code something outside of working hours, it's also MINE.
Sounds like bratish entitled behavior no?
Can someone set me straight here? I don't see how this could be good for employers who don't agree with this.
Oh and btw, if you want to work on your own thing, being paid by a company, that you keep the IP. It's called being an entrepreneur and setting up your own company. So instead of saying kudos I wish more companies do this. Go start your own today and you have that freedom NOW!
There's lots of problems with this line of thinking. One, it encourages "butt-in-seat" thinking, which is inefficient. If I deliver what you wanted delivered in the time allotted, I should be free to work on whatever I want. Of course, a manager wants to squeeze every drop, so if you've finished they'll say "I have some more work for you". But best believe you'll never be fairly compensated for that work ( at most companies anyways. Obviously if the company is Facebook/Google you can have a massive impact and will be flying around to work on whatever suits your fancy ).
Look at it from a contractor's point of view: a contractor will have many other things that they can deliver and make money from, so adding a bit of polish to your project vs delivering another client's makes less sense.
An employer is paying six figures to an employee. In exchange for said salary, employee works set hours and within that time, is supposed to work for the employer and anything they create within that period is owned by the employer.
However, in the comments. It seems like everyone wants their cake and eat it too? Which is to say, if I'm working for you between the contracted hours of 9 to 5. And if I am working on a personal project that the employer is not going to benefit, I should keep the IP. Even though the employer is paying for my time?
Note, this isn't about working outside of the contracted hours at home, nor is it about staying late and using company resources to develop said project and claiming IP belongs to the employee.
For large companies like github. They could probably be more flexible. But for smaller companies, every working daylight hour to them is needed and required for projects to deliver on-time.
These very same companies would argue that all code/IP belongs to them. That they woudn't want employees working on pet projects in THEIR paid time.
Kinda sounds to me, that people here wants 3 things.
1) Pay me a large wage > north of 6 figures. 2) If I code something for me during working hours, it's MINE. 3) If I code something outside of working hours, it's also MINE.
Sounds like bratish entitled behavior no?
Can someone set me straight here? I don't see how this could be good for employers who don't agree with this.
Oh and btw, if you want to work on your own thing, being paid by a company, that you keep the IP. It's called being an entrepreneur and setting up your own company. So instead of saying kudos I wish more companies do this. Go start your own today and you have that freedom NOW!