No need to be snide about it. Of course they aren't going to open source the entire OS. Just like Google hasn't open sourced all of Android. They always hold something back.
And you're commenting on an article where the maintainer has said that open source is "coming in the future."
I think it's safe to say they are betting the company on this, and putting plenty of money into it.
And far from being smoke and mirrors vaporware, this is hardware and software that you can hold in your hand and use and rely on, and millions of people do, every day.
I'm not sure how my comment is "snide". It's just a fact: I don't trust them.
And I don't see how Google is relevant to the conversation. They don't release source, so I'm not really interested in their products either. Just because one company is does things in a way I don't like doesn't mean I have to accept it when others do it that way.
"coming in the future" is nice, but I've heard that speech before, and I'm not holding my breath. If they are betting the company on this, then great! I'll put a lot of money into their products. But until they do, meh, I'm not interested.
And by smoke and mirrors I don't mean vapor-ware, I mean distracting from the real issues, and hiding their flaws instead of fixing them.
I really don't think I understand what you mean. Those links are some open source stuff that they've done. Great. That's not the OS, nor the apps. I want them to open source the OS and their apps.
I'm sure they are fixing security flaws, but they are still not addressing the underlying issue. I like what they say their philosophy is, but until they open source all their stuff, I have no reason to trust them.
I definitely hate them, because I really want a company like them to succeed. But they refuse to put their money where their mouth is. I'd invite you to point me to any facts that I've missed, but I don't see where I've missed any.
Let me know when you've watched their WWDC talks from this year on privacy and security. Especially privacy.
You could do previous years too and those would be complementary, not redundant, but that's quite a time commitment and a lot to ask. Just this year's would be a really great start. Then I'd love to hear what you think after that.
Yeah they won't be completely open source any time soon, that's a nice dream, lol. But imho you should open your mind to learning about what they are doing now, before being so negative and down on them.
> Let me know when you've watched their WWDC talks from this year on privacy and security. Especially privacy.
Nope, not going to. Frankly it's a waste of my time because I'm not going to buy their product. They can say nice things on a stage all they want, but until they open source it, then I really don't care. If they open-source it, then I would buy their products in a heartbeat.
You say it's a nice dream, I say it's reality. I have a laptop/desktop system that works great and is FOSS. I don't see how phones or any other computerized device is any different. None of it matters until they put their money where there mouth is. I'm only being negative towards them because they refuse to fully commit to what they preach. I find nothing wrong with that, and frankly, I don't get how other people don't have a problem with that.
They were not saying just nice things on stage, contrary to your little imagined scenario. They were saying stuff a lot of developers didn't want to hear.
Stuff like stop tracking, limit tracking, don't capture so much data, protect privacy this way, that way, do machine learning on device in such a way that data never makes it to any cloud, use storage techniques that keep the keys away from anyone but the user including Apple, etc.
A lot of developers buy into protecting privacy but to many developers they were not saying nice things on stage, as you unthinkingly imagine.
If you don't get things, and lack understanding, the solution is to seek knowledge. I suggested one good way to do that. Your ignorance is on you, not on them.
I think your missing my point: I don't care what they say. I care what they do. Actions speak louder than words. If they are encouraging privacy, cool. I can respect that. But they aren't doing privacy.
Until they do that, why would I look into them? I choose ignorance in a lot of things that waste my time. Looking into a company that won't put their money where their mouth is would also be a waste of that time.
And you're commenting on an article where the maintainer has said that open source is "coming in the future."
In the meantime:
https://opensource.apple.com
https://github.com/apple
http://llvm.org
https://swift.org
https://developer.apple.com/opensource/
I think it's safe to say they are betting the company on this, and putting plenty of money into it.
And far from being smoke and mirrors vaporware, this is hardware and software that you can hold in your hand and use and rely on, and millions of people do, every day.