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> Completely ridiculous. The model was not to raise rates in the future.

I'm not sure if you're disputing OP's idea that Uber subsidizing rides is (at least in part) of an effort to kill the taxi industry, but my logic is, if you don't have any competition, why wouldn't you raise rates?



One possibility, because increased rates could result in your user base using your service less often?

While transportation is something everyone needs, I'm (as priviledged as I am in my salary) not going to pay $20 for an uber if it's $2 on the bus.

I'll take uber when it's $10, compared to $2.

They could possibly raise their rates some, but to answer your question specifically: because there are other factors involved in their price/demand/profit/market share equation, besides just competition.


You're exactly right though, and that's the problem.

People won't pay to use the service if Uber charges what it actually costs to deliver it. They're heavily subsidizing each ride. When you pay for an Uber, they're basically giving investor money to the driver to cover your fare for you. Investors have been paying for your transportation over the past few years.

At some point, they have to actually make money, and the only way to do that is to raise prices. The issue is no one will stick with the app at higher prices. I've already abandoned Uber/Lyft/others for a $300 bike and a bus pass, because it's much cheaper and much healthier. If they double or triple their prices, which is about what they'd have to do just to break even, lots of people will be following suit.

The self-driving car game was supposed to save them, but I don't think they're guaranteed to win that fight. Tesla seems further along than anyone, and I have far more faith in Musk's ability and track record of executing than I do in Travis (or whatever committee is replacing him). Not to mention every automaker is working on self-driving cars right now to boot.

Uber has no guarantee they'll dominate that market, and considering they can't even break even in their current market, I see them as a ticking time bomb.


>The self-driving car game was supposed to save them, but I don't think they're guaranteed to win that fight

Agreed. I'd argue that existing car-sharing companies like Car2Go are better positioned to dominate the "self-driving taxi" market. They've already solved the challenges of owning and maintaining a shared car fleet profitably. The day self-driving technology is ready, they'll already be miles ahead of Uber.


You got green name, so I'm gonna reply here too. You already pay for the bus, does not matter if you use it or not (okay there's a surcharge, cause we ain't no commies). Uber has to compete with that! If you thought VC's are good at throwing away capital...

edit: I forgot what green name means... green btw...


> edit: I forgot what green name means... green btw...

Newly created HN accounts are colored green so members can recalibrate before responding to troll-like contributions from new accounts (I think).


The bus does not cost you $2 (generally, in the USA, you voted for it) fare != cost

I think we need more of it though...




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