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Inmarsat's European short-haul wi-fi spacecraft launches (bbc.com)
58 points by willvarfar on June 29, 2017 | hide | past | favorite | 45 comments


"from calculations we see that the total capacity of the satellite component is, for Europe, 100 Megabits per second"

That doesn't sound like it's going to improve inflight WiFi much. They do mention also downward connectivity to cell towers, so hopefully the satellite link isn't used much. There's not much info on how many spots over Europe won't be covered by the ground cell towers.

Edit: I do find the grumbling about inflight WiFi performance funny. You're in a metal tube that twists and turns, 5+ miles high in the sky, going 500mph. Installing the system means cutting a huge hole in the plane and detailed certification testing down to every wire connector...and thus nothing can be upgraded at a normal pace. Isn't being able to check your email novel enough? Why are you surprised that YouTube doesn't work well?


Sometimes I feel as if I'm the only person who genuinely doesn't care if I'm disconnected for some number of hours while I'm in a plane. I have reading material, downloaded video, and various apps. I almost appreciate flying time as an opportunity to catch up on various things without distraction.


For a short-haul flight I agree. Wifi provides little benefit, and being disconnected can actually be a blessing.

A long-haul flight is so much more pleasant with wifi. There's only so many movies I can watch (for me, 1 or 2) before I get bored out of my mind.

It can get lonely on a plane if you are traveling alone. The people around you aren't always willing or able to talk (they may be asleep, don't speak English, or are preoccupied with a movie), so you may end up sitting for extended periods with nobody to talk to.

Being able to chat to friends while in the air makes the experience more comfortable than any seat ever could.


To each their own I guess. I have no problem spending a long flight without conversation. Some movies/TV shows/books/games and (preferably) a comfortable seat and I'm set. Give me the choice between a business class seat without WiFi and economy with WiFi and the former gets my vote every time.


Out of curiosity, how do you define a long flight? I've found that most Americans call a flight "long" if it's 4-5 hours. But in my circles -- London-based, doing business in Asia -- "long" means 9-13 hours. Which is qualitatively very different.

(Mind, in those circumstances, a choice between being able to stretch out in business class vs. having WiFi in coach would tilt even harder towards the former. But after about 8 hours in the air, I do find a lack of communications really starts to bite.)


I fly to both Europe and Asia from the US east coast. Yeah it's boring but mostly because I'm more or less stuck in a seat and not because I'm cut off from email, Facebook, and Twitter. Though, for context, I mostly work remotely so not having a real conversation over the course of a day isn't that unusual for me. The boredom of a long flight is more that I can't go outside and walk around or fiddle around in the kitchen than that I can't communicate with someone.


I agree with movies getting borinng after a while, but what about games (those with more complexity than solitaire)?

For example, there's plenty of RPGs of all flavors and settings that would have you exploring, conversing, and battling. Many don't have high system requirements, either, so could be comfortable to play on a netbook or tablet.

Edit to add another idea: I know some flights have games you can play with people in the seats next to you. Why not a plane-wide chatroom of some sort on a web portal? Then you could textually converse with many people without bothering anyone and without any bandwidth/latency restrictions.


I agree entirely, it's hard to do much productive (or not productive) work without WiFi these days. If you're building a little side project you need access to third party APIs etc, or some documentation.


> There's only so many movies I can watch (for me, 1 or 2) before I get bored out of my mind.

How about downloading e.g. some tech talks? Or video lectures?


You're not. The take rate on these services is pretty low. Single digit percentages of the passengers. That's part of the reason they aren't better.


> The take rate on these services is pretty low. Single digit percentages of the passengers.

In-flight WiFi and cellular were available on my last Etihad flight (Europe -> Bangkok via Abu Dhabi).

The charge was something like 25 EUR to share the 1MBit/128Kbit link with the rest of the plane.

So no wonder the uptake on this service is slow low. Business passengers will probably take it because the company pays (or it's included in the cost of their ticket) and for economy passengers it's too much to pay for a handicapped internet connection where they can't even Skype friends or browse Facebook because it's so slow.


They've all done experiments with different price points. The 25 EUR rate isn't likely an accident...it's what gains them the most revenue. The installation costs are very high (certification, aircraft downtime, etc), and for satellite based solutions, the bandwidth cost is high. I don't even think they are trying to make money, just offset as much cost as they can.


As far as I'm aware, they make most of the money on business jets; the commercial side, as far as I'm aware, operates more or less at marginal cost with lower QoS guarantees than the business jets get as a marketing exercise.


The providers (ViaSat, Panasonic, etc) make money. I'm saying the airlines don't make much money on it. They have to bear the installation costs, which are very high, and pay the providers the bandwidth charges. There's also lost revenue while the plane is out of service and a slight (but adds up across the fleet) rise in fuel burn due to the antenna bump. Whatever they charge passengers doesn't recoup it all.

The cell / ground based systems have a different model, and the installation costs, while high, aren't quite as high. But, the providers there, like GoGo, set the pricing, keep the branding, etc, and only share a commission back. I don't believe it's a net positive revenue for the airlines either, but I know less about that space.


> Isn't being able to check your email novel enough?

It was novel a few years ago. It's not any more. At least not for regular travellers.


Perhaps. The physics and economics of these systems, and the regulatory barriers to keeping them current means they will never work as well as what you have at home though.


Maybe, but as someone who use them regularly we've moved far beyond "hopefully check my emails sometime in the next five minutes". It's still not good enough for something like youtube, or even javascript application with a need for low latency, but it's definitely good and reliable enough to "use the internet".

I've used it on both Qatar Airways and Emirates, and would recommand it if you like to work during flight and your work needs the internet (eg emails, your task trackers to follow/answer your team, code reviews, ...), it's also been cheap enough that it fitted into my needs (paying it and getting myself up to date was worth more to me than not paying and then having to catch up after landing).


Ahh, got it. I was including "regular web surfing" along with "check your email". Just saying that higher bandwidth things like videos, spotify, etc, weren't feasible.


I guess it's never going to happen, but wouldn't it be pretty cool if Netflix/HBO/Spotify provided a content mirror on the aircraft? Could probably only carry a subset of all content, but pretty cool to just open your app and get some nice Silicon Valley episodes man-in-the-middle delivered to your device of choice.


United and, I'm sure, other airlines have a variety of TV shows and movies that you can stream to their app on your phone and tablet over WiFi. Also note that both Netflix and Amazon allow you to download content for offline viewing these days though HBO doesn't currently AFAIK.

They have music stations as well although I've never used them as I keep a pretty large library on my phone.


> both Netflix and Amazon allow you to download content for offline viewing these days

In both cases sadly still with DRM; beyond the ideological stuff I'd love to be able to download a file and play it with the player I like, or to be able to reencode it. On some aspects pirate services are still better (though only if you care about that kind of things).


It does (sort of) exist for things that aren't on-demand, but rather more like live TV, as the 1-to-many broadcast means less satellite bandwidth used. Some airlines use this today. They should use a local server on the aircraft to cache stuff for "on demand", though I don't think any are doing this today.


A lot of flights have a bunch of on-demand movies and tv shows that you can watch that are stored on the plane.


Yes...there's an older way of doing that with physical disks that someone swaps out. There's not many using a live network to trickle data onto the aircraft and store it for a small local "on demand" library.


I know that the laptop bans are currently only on inter-continental routes, but investors in this kind of system must be watching the laptop ban in horror of things to come.


Airlines can creatively work around this. They could provide a browser on seat-back touch screens, which would be satisfactory to most customers, who just want to watch HBO, Netflix, Hulu (maybe not in Europe), or YouTube.

Also, smartphones have WiFi, so that's a way for the security-aware to control the device for typing your very important passwords into. Bring a Bluetooth keyboard and a phone mount with a built-in magnifying glass, and it's almost a laptop!


I don't think this system's price-point nor bandwidth is going to be suitable for having large numbers of passengers idling hours by watching movies?

I think the target is more likely to be business users doing work during the flight?


Although a number of airlines have been moving toward streaming entertainment to user devices rather than having seat-back screens in economy. But those movies are supplied locally. I wouldn't expect in-flight WiFi to work with streaming video from external sources.

In any case, broader laptop/tablet bans seem to be off the table for now.


I'm curious if the drop-off is that bad, since the passengers still have their phones.


But phones should be put in flight-mode before takeoff. Which means no wifi/bluetooth.


Almost all modern phones allow WiFi to be enabled while the phone remains in flight mode (keeping the cellular modem disabled), and this is allowed by FAA/FCC and, I think, every airline's rules in the US as well.

The reason that phones are banned on planes is no longer due to concerns about interference with the aircraft (which have been, by and large, debunked), but rather because the terrestrial cell network is really not suited to supporting phones at altitude.


Some airlines (e.g. Lufthansa) also install GSM microcells in their planes.

They allow you to completely disable flight mode, once you're at cruising altitude -- and therefore out of range of the terrestrial cell network.

(Whether your cell provider will actually allow your phone to associate with the in-flight microcell is a different issue...)


For flights I took in western countries (US, Canada, Australia, EU), it seems that it is no longer required. China is a major holdout afaik.


US and Canadian carriers definitely still tell you to put your phone in airplane mode.


They do, but they also frequently offer in-plane WiFi so it's clear they're expecting you to know to turn your WiFi chip back on even though the phone is in Airplane mode.

IIRC the "put your phone in airplane mode" rule is a FAA mandate. Airlines can't change it.


I also wonder what percentage of phones actually get put in airplane mode. I don't think I'd bet that it's as many as 50%.


IIRC last time I saw a study on this it was pretty high. Well in the 95% range. But there would usually be a phone or two on every 737 or larger sized plane not in airplane mode.


That would somewhat shock me to be honest. I make a genuine effort to turn on airplane mode if only because not doing so drains the battery and I bet I miss at least one in 20 times. I would hope such a study was based on measuring ehat pople did as opposed to what they said they did.


Just when you thought flying couldn't get any worse, now you'll have some loudmouth chatterbox facetiming with their friends for hours talking inane b*t.


They can already do that with their friend in the next seat.

I'd prefer a kid facetiming with Grandma to a kid with nothing to do.


Most inflight WiFi services block VoIP and video chat, both to conserve bandwidth and to preserve sanity in the cabin.


I VPN and have received (though not answered) FaceTime Audio calls in the air.


Well, sure, there's workarounds. But most people aren't going to be running a VPN.

And the documentation for in-flight WiFi explicitly instructs you not to take voice calls, out of consideration for other passengers. You wouldn't be out of line politely asking somebody to stop.


I also have a VPN and have been able to make calls. However, a latency hovering around 1,500ms and very heavy jitter mean that no matter what encoding you try to use, the connection will be crap.

Text chat on the other hand is perfect. Low bandwidth, soft realtime.


Nice to see cell phones don't cause interference with the systems aboard airplanes... SMH




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