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Meet the Counter Strike e-sports team where everyone is over 60 (theverge.com)
71 points by SQL2219 on Dec 22, 2017 | hide | past | favorite | 33 comments


I thought the headline was amusing until I realized that I'm only a little more than a decade away from being a sexagenarian who will probably still be playing Street Fighter.


I didn’t find amusing at all, being less than a decade away myself, and having come off a Call of Duty session last night where I’m sure I was in the top half seventy percent of the time. I might be old, but cunning, patience, and strategy can still frag yer ass. :-)

Now at an e-sports level? Frankly I can’t judge as games haven’t been something I put effort into, but I imagine it’s like anything else where there are few outliers, but mostly dominated by younger players. I know I m just not as quick to juggle the multiple things that need tracking, all while trying to line up that headshot. Not crippling by any means, but noticeable. On a “fun on a Friday night” level it doesn’t make much difference, my K/D is about the same as it always was. But once in a while I’ll go up against an organized team and where previously I could help keep it respectable, now we just get run over if the randoms on my team aren’t any good.

In summary, I’m still a pretty good casual player, but I’m not the strong player on any arbitrary team anymore.


Me too. I've been playing CS on and off since it came out.

But Netrek is still my favourite multi-player team game.


Are you one of those crazy oldschhol ST players?


Nah. For some reason, I just couldn't get into SFII back in the day. I didn't really start playing SF until Alpha came out. Like a lot of other people, I took a break from video games for a few years, but my interest in SF (and fighting games in general) was revived after seeing EVO Moment #37.


Oh Moment #37 ;)

Still my fighting game of choice to this day.


"As a recent retiree [...] at 62-years-old" -- sigh, oh, Sweden. A dream.



The stats on their site (https://lenovo-silversnipers.com/) seem off, e.g., BirDie has 82 hours of play time and 199 kills. That's averaging ~25 mins between kills! Surely, they're not _that_ bad.


I agree, those stats look too good.


This is how you grow the pie. There's an economic lesson in here for every targeted industry.


I remember reading a while back about a link between competitive bridge (the stereotypically old person card game) playing and a lack of cognitive decline in aging adults. I'm curious if competitive video games have a similar anti-brain-aging effect.


I’d be baffled if they didn’t. Time and again studies have shown that the complex overlapping cognitive demands of games such as shooters have a distinct and lasting benefit. IIRC, researchers in one case studied people playing an early iteration of the Splinter Cell franchise. They believed that the combination of having to manage inventory dynamically, memorize and keep track of shifting 3-D map, plus seek out and engage hostoles added up to quite the workload. This would tend to fit with the “use it or lose it” theory of neuroplasticity.


It's a great thing to see older folks involved in gaming, but are they going to be even competitive? Empirical data suggests that the cognitive capacities which produce gaming skill peak at about age 25 and enter steady decline after, which is why top-tier e-sports pros are virtually all in their teens or early 20s.


Even if they have a lower ceiling and could never compete at the highest level, I think older players could go toe to toe with lower but still competitive levels, especially in a team game with plenty of strategy. And I think promoting this is a worthy cause.

I'm formerly a competitive golfer and there's plenty of 60 somethings out there who are better than me even though I can hit it 50 yards past them. I expect (and hope for) similar things playing out in gaming.


perhaps in a different game! Unfortunately, currently popular competitive video games all demand fast reactions and hand dexterity, and the strategy typically comes second to mechanics. For example in counterstrike you still need to be able to hit the shots, no matter how great your tactics are. I highly doubt that really old players can compete in these kinds of games.

maybe older folks getting into games will help spur the creation of more strategic competitive experiences where older players are on a more even playing field


I don't know if there's much of a leap required, honestly. The games that I play (Overwatch, Starcraft 2, and Dota 2) can all be played well (if not at a pro level) without great twitch reflexes.

I'd be surprised if we ever saw oldsters at the top of any popular esport, but I have no chance of going pro, and I can still enjoy myself and improve. I very much hope to run into older folks on the various ladders.


FWIW, there are a lot of still relevant "older" players approaching their 40s in the fighting game community.


To be fair, 60 is a lot more than 40. There are many top athletes in other sports at 40 but very few at 60.


I'm in my 40s and took up CSGO this year, I'm silver-2/rank 15, I find very often other players beat me in reaction time when we're heads up. Gradually I'm learning to compensate for that.

It's my first time playing a proper FPS, yay Steam and Linux compatability.


Yes, but we also have to consider that today's 60 year olds didn't grow up with the same types of video games (if at all), and video games didn't have the same profile that they do now. The 40ish players in the FGC - they all grew up with the genre of the game they play.

I would not be surprised if the 20-something pros in stuff like FPS games would still be quite good at them when they hit 60-- provided of course, that 1) life doesn't get in the way, 2) that they still playing the games regularly, and 3) that the genre even still exists at that point.


Can't wait until I turn 60 so I can finally justifiably call people with inferior skills than me - noobs.

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I know one older gentleman playing a FPS. He is not very good, but better than the majority.

It's all about community though. If you play on the same server or a not-very-popular game, you would soon know all the "regulars". The actual game is there just to hook you in. You stay for the community.


They didn't grow up with games at all. They would have been in their late teens and twenties just as the first games came out. Keep in mind gaming as a genre is still really young

I don't think the pros would be very good. If anything, I'm worried about how much carpal tunnel syndrome and other health risks they put themselves through by being pro.


Okay, but that just shows a natural decline from best to okay, vs okay to bad.


Reaction time and APM (in RTS) pretty much dominates every other skill in terms of game outcome for most of the competitive games out there. Maybe if turn-based games develop a competitive scene.

Face it: you're over the hill, and so are most of the rest of us.


Pokemon has a competitive scene, and that's turn based. Also a series that rewards strategy and knowledge of the game's mechanics a hell of a lot more than timing.

So hey, perhaps that could be a good eSport for older generations.


Probably not true for MOBAs, at any rate.


This is true for various sports, like running - organizers just organizer age-based tiers. Maybe we'll see a 60+ CS tier!


No. It's a PR stunt. A fun hobby. Seeing them play it's obvious they play like any other group of people that just started. You need several thousand hours to be decent and tens of thousands to be competitive. These people have maybe a hundred or a thousand tops. I applaud the initiative and wish more people would start playing, but any random team of 17 year old CS players will beat this team, despite having a coach. I wish there were "masters" (40+) and "legends" (60)+ classes in competitions.


Teen Slayer


Well, it's counter strike we're talking about. They probably started playing it in their teenage years.


Apropos of nothing much, I think I've still got the 8MB alpha version from about the year 1998 burned on a CD here somewhere. As I recall, run the executable and CS is added to the opening menu of Half Life.

Why do I remember it being 8MB? That's an odd thing to remember.


I didn't down-vote you but whomever did, probably did it because you didn't read the article.

Second paragraph: "At 62-years-old, she was the youngest member of the team, but all the members had something in common beyond their age: none had ever played Counter Strike before."




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