And because it's HP they're also doing other nasty stuff too. You know how most 2d printers put invisible tracking dots in their prints to prevent counterfeiting? Well HP's 3d printers are going to do the same for 'security', anti-counterfeiting, and DRM purposes. They can print whatever pattern of color they want inside the part, so that one can scratch off the surface layer and determine who ran off illegal copies of mickey mouse action figures and when.
Is there a solution that doesn’t involve DRM—meaning at least some way to restrict on which devices given model may be printed—yet can enable marketplaces on which independent inventors who specialize in creating 3D-printable items could confidently publish their work and reliably get paid without worrying about theft?
My thoughts exactly. And since it's for corporations, it will also feature a display and have a really slow and buggy Java UI. It will randomly crash and have badly translated error messages for a premium price of 130'000 USD.
And of course, you will only be able to use HP filaments!
> HP Jet Fusion 3D 4210 Printing Solution average printing cost-per-part is 65% lower versus the average cost of comparable FDM and SLS printer solutions from $100,000 USD to $300,000 USD on market as of April, 2016
Depends on how much you believe that statement I suppose?
If you look at the fine print they compared the "default mode" of the other printers with their "fast mode."
I've evaluated a few 3d printers and from what I recall the default mode is usually fairly high quality (read uses more material.)
We were about ready to pull the trigger on a competitors printer (~100k machine) but at the last minute figured out that the media would basically cost us the salary for a full time employee. Instead we're running a cheapo FDM machine for parts where quality isn't critical and outsourcing the highend stuff to shapeways (who are mentioned below.) Overall I've been really happy with this strategy.
To be fair they are weighing an unreleased solution in the most optimal configuration against nearly 2 year old data. For 100k shopping right now it would be interesting to get an apples to apples in the entire market because that is what people purchasing this will be looking at
That has never been true, even for the cheapest consumer printers. The "starter" cartridges that printers come with only contain about 10% of the ink of a full cartridge.
What you just said doesn't refute notatoad's point.
Those $340 refills will contain more than double the toner than the starter cartridges. The fact that the starter cartridges lasted you 4 years is more of a testament to how little you print. A refill probably would have lasted you 8+ years.
> Those $340 refills will contain more than double the toner than the starter cartridges.
The M452dn came with "introductory cartridges" all rated at ~1200 pages. For the CP1525nw, the black 128A is rated at ~2000 pages and the colors are ~1300 pages.
The new printer was ~60% of the cost of a set of replacement cartridges and the starter cartridges are 60-92% capacity of the A cartridge replacements for the CP1525nw.
So yes it cost me less to replace the printer than it would have to replace all of the cartridges.
In reality it cost me a bit more. The CP1525nw actually started jamming on me constantly when the black got to about 1% and the colors at around 5%. The diagnostic codes indicated it was a problem with the ink so I stupidly bought a replacement black which cleared one error code but not the jam. I got a quote for a diagnostic and it was more than the cost of a new printer.
My HP Color LaserJet cost me ~600. Bought the cartridges for another 175 each (x3) + 125 for the black one. The printer died at 1 year 1 month, never even got to use the $650 in cartridges. They're just sitting on my shelf as a reminder that I will never buy another HP product as long as I live.
I got a Dell MFD color laser printer a few years ago. The machine was around £150 and a replacement set of cartridges (3rd party - lasts around 1500 pages) is under £20. I’m not a heavy user, but for my occasional home use it’s great.
Last year I wanted to get another one for my office, but it turns out Dell got out of the printer business in 2016. Samsung sold their printer business to HP, so there’s now only really three companies making laser printers now: Brother, Xerox and HP.
I owned an HP Laser Printer recently (paid $250). The starter cartridge lasted me 4 years, and when I went to replace the cartridge ($50), it didn't work. The printer is now out of warranty, so I'll be buying a new printer.
That's essentially what happened to me. The cartridges got down to 1% and around the same time it started jamming. I bought a replacement Black cartridge and it continued to jam. I wasn't about to spend $200 on the color cartridges at that point so I bought a brand new printer instead.
To be fair, this isn't a consumer product by any stretch of the imagination. HP has been in the business market for a long time on large format printers as well as servers, where the money isn't as much in the media as it is in the premium price tag up front and service contracts.
