> Sometimes "business" must bow down to things like ethics, otherwise it tends towards corruption and exploitation.
That's if you get caught. On paper I completely agree with you, but in reality I think you'll find many many many businesses and industry that skirt ethically and moral behavior to cement their bottom line.
I keep repeating its just business because it is, ultimately everything comes down to money especially in business. Is it inappropriate to charge people a higher price for an airline ticket because they browse your website with a macbook? It happens. What about amazon raising the price for an item because you've browsed it several times in the past already? Recommending your own book because you believe in its contents but also helps to put a roof over your head? It's all just business.
>> Sometimes "business" must bow down to things like ethics, otherwise it tends towards corruption and exploitation.
> That's if you get caught. On paper I completely agree with you, but in reality I think you'll find many many many businesses and industry that skirt ethically and moral behavior to cement their bottom line.
No, businesses, and the people who they're composed of, must bow down to things like ethics, even when they wouldn't get "caught" behaving unethically.
> I keep repeating its just business because it is, ultimately everything comes down to money especially in business.
That's a morally bankrupt sentiment. Don't hold up a descriptive model of sociopathic behavior as a normative model of social behavior.
Simple models can be intellectually compelling, but neither correct nor complete. Simple economic theories, especially not the ones laymen read, do not represent the bedrock principles of society or human behavior. There's much they leave out and more that's orthogonal to them.
> Don't hold up a descriptive model of sociopathic behavior as a normative model of social behavior.
Do you use Uber, Apple, Github or Amazon? Because if you do you are accepting these principals as just being part of business and it comes down to money. Most CEOs and/or founders exhibit a significant degree of sociopathic behavior and it's clearly accepted (evidenced by the support seen in HN discussions). Yes simple models can be neither 100% or complete but do show a general trend. Move fast and break things, easier to ask for forgiveness than permission, all is fair in love andwar (and business). Im not saying its right, Im saying Im not surprised and expect this behavior from most companies and also expect some sort of insane justification when caught.
> Do you use Uber, Apple, Github or Amazon? Because if you do you are accepting these principals as just being part of business and it comes down to money...
Not that tired pseudoargument again. "Don't you exist in the imperfect world? Therefore you must be OK with its deficiencies." With few exceptions, the inhabitants of Earth are unable to conjure bubbles perfectly isolated from contact with any of the world's imperfections. That doesn't mean we're unjustified or hypocritical for criticizing those flaws or using our limited influence to try to smooth out those we can.
Also, there's that misleading blurring between the normative, circumstantial, and explanatory again.
> Most CEOs and/or founders exhibit a significant degree of sociopathic behavior and it's clearly accepted (evidenced by the support seen in HN discussions).
It's really odd how adamant you are that we should accept corrupt or sociopathic behavior as normal, and how resistant you are to criticism of it or calls for its curtailment.
> Move fast and break things, easier to ask for forgiveness than permission, all is fair in love andwar (and business).
For the most part, those are shitty ideas used to justify shitty actions.
That's if you get caught. On paper I completely agree with you, but in reality I think you'll find many many many businesses and industry that skirt ethically and moral behavior to cement their bottom line.
I keep repeating its just business because it is, ultimately everything comes down to money especially in business. Is it inappropriate to charge people a higher price for an airline ticket because they browse your website with a macbook? It happens. What about amazon raising the price for an item because you've browsed it several times in the past already? Recommending your own book because you believe in its contents but also helps to put a roof over your head? It's all just business.