> Of course the problem is that the US is such a big country with huge immigration and scandinavian countries arent so it's always hard to compare.
US Population: 325 million
US Immigration: 1.5 million (2016)
EU Population: 512 million
EU Immigration: 2 million (2016)
(taken from top Google results)
It's fairly accurate to say that, compared to the US, the whole of EU has a "Scandinavian" model of health-care (ie, states guarantee good health-care services to everyone).
You can get downvoted by sounding like a knee jerk racist. Go spend a little time looking into where healthcare money is actually being spent and written off as bad debt in the US then come back with numbers and sources. If you can back up that illegal immigrants are the source of healthcare cost issues in pretty sure we'll all be impressed.
That's not what I said at all. I was explaining how the US system is very different than the Scandinavian system. That's all. You can't compare them at all.
Whatever racist undertone you heard there was your doing not mine.
Any time you're in an online discussion of US healthcare expenses and use the phrase "11 million illegal immigrants" you've pretty much just placed yourself into a category as far as almost anyone else reading the discussion is concerned.
That may not be what you meant to do and that categorization may not be fair, but it's one of many possible trigger phrases.
Its pretty obvious to anyone who is not looking to get triggered that there is nothing racist nor fingerpointing in what i say. The illegal immigration is used to illustrate one of the things that make the us system wastely different especially from the scandinavian system even though they are always used as an example. Almost every person there is has lived their whole life there.
And given i dont actually give you any other reason to think i am racist its pretty absurd that you decide to make that interpretation of what i say but unfortunately its becoming more and more the norm. Try asking me what i mean next time instead of just throwing words around accusing people you dont know anything about for being racist.
Your comment was making an implied link between the difficulties in the US healthcare system and the 11 million illegal immigrants - whether you intended or not (if you didn't, there'd be next to no reason to bring up illegal immigration at all).
Why would illegal immigration have any impact on healthcare, unless you were implying that they were a drain on the system (which is an assertion needing to be backed up by facts)?
My comment was making an implied link between many different things, illegal immigration being one of them. As it has an impact on the complexity os the US healthcare system and is one of the reasons why you can't just have a Scandinavian model.
There is a world of difference between a small homogenous group of countries where everyone pays more or less the same taxes their whole life and where immigration is fairly limited and then a country like the US where people arrive often later in life after they grew up other places and before they start paying taxes to the system.
Healthcare budgets are built up over decades not just year over year. It's based on people when they are young and don't cost too much for the system pays to the system so that when they grow older they are offset by younger generations again.
11 million people who live partly outside the system even when they pay taxes is a big number and since they live concentrated in around 20 metropolitan areas almost half of them in 3 states that make them an actual issue on top of the other things as they are not just distributed across the entire country.
In what universe it's racist to point out that illegal immigrants adds to the complexity of why the US can't have the scandinavian model is beyond me. You are the only one making illegal immigration a matter of race for some absurd reason.
There isn't a single EU health care system. Each country still does their own. Maybe each US state could do their own, but there are huge concerns about freeloader problems since we have unrestricted movement between states in the U.S. From what I've read the systems of European countries are being threatened by the freeloader problem that increase immigration as of late has caused.
There is unrestricted movement in the Schengen area, which is a subset of 21+ states of EU for the past 10 years, with current population of 420 million people.
(8+ state for the past 21 years, those 8 states having population of 291 million today)
That doesent mean the healtcare system is the same, its not. Again you probably need to do a little more studying of scandinavia and the EU cause you are getting some fundamentals pretty wrong.
> Of course the problem is that the US is such a big country with huge immigration and scandinavian countries arent so it's always hard to compare.
US Population: 325 million
US Immigration: 1.5 million (2016)
EU Population: 512 million
EU Immigration: 2 million (2016)
(taken from top Google results)
It's fairly accurate to say that, compared to the US, the whole of EU has a "Scandinavian" model of health-care (ie, states guarantee good health-care services to everyone).