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>So they all moved to the middle east

This is an interesting historical claim. Which intellectuals are you thinking of that moved from Europe to the Middle East in the early Medieval period?




I was also curious and looked it up:

Pagan philosophy was gradually supplanted by Christianity in the later years of the Empire, culminating in the closure of the Academy of Athens by Justinian I. Many Greek-speaking philosophers moved to the east, outside the borders of the Empire. Neoplatonism and Aristotelianism gained a stronghold in Persia, where they were a heavy influence on early Islamic philosophy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_of_the_Roman_Empire


And a little more:

The last Scholarch of the Neoplatonic Academy was Damascius (d. 540). According to Agathias, its remaining members looked for protection under the rule of Sassanid king Khosrau I in his capital at Ctesiphon, carrying with them precious scrolls of literature and philosophy, and to a lesser degree of science. After a peace treaty between the Persian and the Byzantine empire in 532, their personal security (an early document in the history of freedom of religion) was guaranteed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_Academy#Neoplatonic_A...



It's more accurate (somewhat) to say that a lot of intellectual activity moved. The issue is historiographically complex but the traditional view of early medieval Europe not doing a lot to advance human knowledge except in some specific (and not very abstract) fields is mostly true.


Yeah, but it's not really accurate to say that intellectual activity moved because the Church was systematically harassing philosophers.


https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/dec/28/the-darkening-...

> Shenoute is now considered a saint in the Coptic church, but his piety manifested itself in a particularly ugly guise: he was part of a gang of thugs who would break into the houses of locals whose theological views they felt to be unsound, and smash up any property they objected to on religious grounds.

> Early in the book, she describes how she was brought up in her youth to think of late-antique and medieval Christians as enlightened curators of the classical heritage, diligently copying philosophical texts and poems throughout the ages so that they were saved from oblivion. Her views in this matter have evidently shifted somewhat over time. In this book, early Christians are much more likely to close down the academies, shut temples, loot and destroy artwork, forbid traditional practices and burn books. Rather than praising Christians for preserving slivers of classical wisdom, she argues, we should acknowledge how much was knowingly erased.

And quoting another article about the same book:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/books/review/catherine-ni...

> And so she opens her book with a potent description of black-robed zealots from 16 centuries ago taking iron bars to the beautiful statue of Athena in the sanctuary of Palmyra, located in modern-day Syria. Intellectuals in Antioch (in ancient Syria) were tortured and beheaded, as were the statues around them.

I personally find that it's very important to know the past, so that it won't be repeated in the future.


>Intellectuals in Antioch (in ancient Syria) were tortured and beheaded, as were the statues around them.

And you use this as an example of religious oppression in medieval Europe (?)

Here is a good critical review of the book you're citing:

https://historyforatheists.com/2017/11/review-catherine-nixe...


> a bunch of intellectuals for their "heathen" ideology (greek philosophy, sciences, etc). So they all moved [...]

I think the suggestion is that the ones who were persecuted moved, not all. Basically "the bunch".


Well yes, but I wonder who that is supposed to be, specifically.




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