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Calling it an “HTML5 website” is a bit of an overreaction IMHO.

Other than the DOCTYPE, there’s not much “HTML5” to it. It’s just good old HTML, JavaScript and CSS, wrapped together in a document that happens to use the HTML5 DOCTYPE.




It's really depressing seeing HN use HTML5 as incorrectly as my managers...


I blame Steve Jobs; I honestly do.

EDIT: I believe Steve Jobs is largely responsible for popularising the idea of HTML5 as a Flash replacement. He's also popularised the idea that HTML5 is technology that can be used now, when the situation is actually a lot more complicated. I think that without Steve's input, HTML5 wouldn't have reached the wider public's consciousness in the way it has - and there'd be far less misuse as a result.


The fact that the HN submission says "Gorgeous HTML5" is also evidence that this is aimed at Apple users.


Sigh. It’s not incorrect. Language doesn’t work that way.


Unfortunately, it does when language is used to denote specific technologies.


No, it doe not, even then. It’s unfortunately not that simple. HTML5 has acquired new meaning, its definition has changed.


HTML5 has acquired new meaning, its definition has changed

That is categorically untrue. There is a W3C specification which defines exactly what HTML5 is (or more correctly will become).

The specification is a proposal, but this still doesn't mean that the term 'HTML5' is able to acquire new meaning.

This is because it's technical shorthand used to describe a group of technologies - and the group of technologies it represents can be specified precisely.


That’s not how it works.

If most people use HTML5 to refer to all new and upcoming web technologies the meaning changes. One person using it that way is an error, nearly everyone using it that way changes the meaning. You can’t impose definitions top-down.


I know what you're trying to say - language is a fluid changing thing, which evolves.

While I agree with this concept - I don't think misuse of technical terms changes the meaning of those terms.

In this case, lack of education, misinformation and confusion are driving the misuse of the term. It won't change what HTML5 actually is, because we have an officially sanctioned definition.


HTML5 has become a very relevant term outside of technical circles and there it refers to all upcoming web technologies and – pretty much – always has. I guess you will just have to life with the two different meanings in two different context. I don’t think it’s a problem, I quite like HTML5 as a catch-all term for upcoming web technologies.


HTML5 [..] refers to all upcoming web technologies and – pretty much – always has.

HTML5 hasn't always referred to all upcoming web technologies. It's misuse is recent - and I think Steve Jobs has encouraged the change.

I find being asked for an 'HTML5' website problematic; a lot of clients use the term simply because they understand it's a buzz word - and don't actually know what they're asking for.

I think we'll have to disagree.


Hype du jour. Great way to get front-paged.

It goes in cycles on here.


True. It seems HTML5 is the new way of saying "Not using Flash".


It's just the latest buzzword to mean 'New!'. Couple of years ago everything was 'ajax'.


...or what we used to call DHTML.


DHTML5.0MFGZ!!1



I've come around to accepting that anything conforming to the relevant standards can (and should) properly be called HTML5, even if it doesn't actually take advantage of anything that wasn't available in HTML4.


I'm also tired of seeing HTML5 this and that (as it's mostly grossly misused to mean 'highly dynamic'), but this

  <!doctype html>
is actually how you declare an HTML5 doctype. They're also using the semantic HTML5 elements header and footer.

Reference: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/syntax.html#the-doctype http://ejohn.org/blog/html5-doctype/


Speaking of DOCTYPE, it seems there is no DOCTYPE on HN.


And somehow it works anyway. It's almost like nobody actually thinks HTML is SGML anymore...


No DOCTYPE means "old document" to the browser and render it in Quirks Mode: http://www.quirksmode.org/css/quirksmode.html




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