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>an individual providing support to a leading terrorist in Iraq and Syria

That's a pretty weak outcome for such egregious privacy violations.

If they'd "stopped 17 plots to kill 100 or more Americans" then maybe I'd concede that the program is effective (though still immoral IMO).



Allegedly, the FBI just thwarted a planned bombing in LA by an Army veteran. [1]

Obviously all the operation details of how they found this guy are not disclosed, but there does appear to be undercover agents involved.

There have been cases in the past where the FBI undercover agent has been a little too instrumental in developing the plan for the alleged attack, but it doesn’t appear that is the case in this instance.

I would not be surprised if some sort of mass surveillance was instrumental in identifying / risk scoring this guy’s posting and flagging him for closer investigation.

Not at all a supporter of these programs in general, but I wanted to try to answer your question.

[1] - https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/calif...


Be REALLY careful when you look at these “FBI FOILED PLOT” stories. It’s typically some lunatic they approached, and then sold fake materials to. They are experts at staying JUST on the right side of the entrapment line, legally speaking.

There is a well known sentiment that the craziest guy you’ll find if you are looking for trouble is the FBI agent.

There are documented instances of FBI agents selling fake bombs or drugs to CIA or DEA guys or vice versa.

It’s works for them because they get to pay themselves on the back for stopping the guy they helped radicalize who never would have had means on his own.


Meanwhile the sentient maniacs who realize they're a threat to society often turn themselves in and get turned away only to go on to commit senseless massacres of innocent citizens.


Most of these FBI foiled plots are done with open source intelligence and reports from family and friends about specific individuals or they are posting all over Facebook about it. When you read the fine details, in my experience anecdotally almost none of the recently publicized foiled plots appear to be because of NSA intelligence. So the question remains what the NSA data is being used for?


I just used that example because it was one of the more concrete ones. The NSA has a list here[1] but a lot of the outcomes are more nebulous.

[1]: https://www.nsa.gov/News-Features/News-Stories/Article-View/...




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