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Men's fertility irreversibly damaged by age of 18 thanks Western junk food diet (telegraph.co.uk)
77 points by smn1234 on June 26, 2019 | hide | past | favorite | 31 comments



No link to the actual study. I need to know if they controlled for body fat and lifestyle.

It's well established that high body fat percentage is correlated with lower sex hormone production. Among other factors, this could be due to decreased bloodflow to the genitals.

It's not unreasonable to think maybe the people eating the junk food were simply fatter.

Another concern is whether they're getting adequate nutrients from other foods. There's a bit of substitution going on when a higher percentage of calories coming from junk food, but it's completely possible to eat McDonald's for lunch every day and still get 100% of your recommended vitamins, minerals and fiber from other meals.

This is just poor reporting.


About 2/3 of caloric intake is simply for energy... and excess will lead to weight gain. That said, there is a hormonal component that can dramatically effect how absorption works and lead to a higher or lower chance of metabolic syndrome. There's also a genetic factor as well in terms of what does and doesn't work well. Pretty much all foods have a portion of the population that reacts badly to them.

You're probably right that it's highly related to body fat. But I would suggest it's also highly correlated to sugar (particularly fructose) intake as well as other simple starches. There was a controlled study reported just the other day that showed that even maintaining a given weight, macro nutrient changes can dramatically effect metabolic syndrome and related issues.


The actual study has not been published yet. So far, the researchers have only presented the information at a conference.



Thanks!

> diet, semen quality, reproductive hormones, and lifestyle factors

So it doesn't look like body fat or weight was factored in, unless they were lumped under "lifestyle factors" for some reason.

It should also be noted that they're confounding "Western" and "high fat". High fat diets are actually great for hormone production: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4271636/


Western diets are also high sugar. The fat isn't particularly high compared to say Paleo or other ancestral approaches. Though the quality/types/processing of the fats is pretty unnatural in a typical western diet.


I mean, it's the telegraph. What do you expect?


Since it gated, here are the diet+sperm quality results:

From the responses to a dietary questionnaire, four types of diet were identified: a “Western” diet characterised by red meat, processed meat, fatty and sugary food and drink; a “prudent” diet comprising mainly chicken, fish, vegetables and fruit; a “Smørrebrød” diet cold processed meats, whole grains, mayonnaise, cold fish, condiments, and dairy; and a traditional vegetarian diet, involving lots of vegetables, soya milk and eggs.

Sperm health, as measured by concentration, volume and motility, was best in those following the prudent diet, followed by the vegetarian and then Smørrebrød diets, with those adhering to a western diet yielding the worse readings.


And yet lower income groups, who tend to have junk food diets, also tend to have more unplanned pregnancies.


I suspect that is caused by a higher rate of unprotected sex.


Can a higher rate of sex make up for devastatingly low fertility?


Can’t read the full article, but I assume that the result of the western diet isn’t necessarily ”devastatingly low” ferility, just lower than other diet groups.


Or lack of access to affordable birth control....


Or both


Snopes might need to update this article from False to Mostly True: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dont-overdew-it/


Oh look, another nutrition research study...


And now it's established.

I guess if a group wants to reduce population of developing countries, they can develop ultra cheap fast food, fast food subsidies and fast influencers who manipulate a large part of population into eating fast food and we save the planet? Just food for thoughts. Fast food VCs rescue planet from overpopulation.

Developed countries are already shrinking in population, that's why I specifically talk about developing countries.


We already know within the US that it doesn’t work though - the poorest with the worst diets (not on subsistence farming here, key point) have the most unplanned pregnancies which lead to lack of economic advancement in our current incentive structure.

The Gates Foundation is funding more education which tends to lead toward women and men setting career goals, potentially relocating, and thereby delaying childbearing to a later time. The primary exceptions here in developed countries are pretty much entirely religious (see: Duggars, most of Utah...).

Commercially produced fast food is also more expensive than cooking at home in developing countries because their marginal utility of labor is so low (much cheaper to cook at home and spend the time than to go work those hours instead). Government subsidies to make fast food nearly free don’t work that well when much of the population has no access to it either. This situation is somewhat inverted from America’s problem (healthier city dwellers that walk with fewer children, unhealthy rural population dependent upon cars that reproduce far more).



This isn't necessarily a bad thing, depending on the individual's inclination to have kids, or perspective on world population growth. Could it mean less accidental kids?


If we assume - at least I do - that this is just a downstream effect of a complete hormonal mess induced by diet, I would say this is pretty bad.


Western fertility rates are already below replacement rates. The problem with the world's population growth is exactly in the undeveloped countries.


Smoking and lung cancer isn't necessarily a bad thing, depending on individual's approach to life. Live fast, die young, baby!


You forgot the last part. Live fast, die young; slowly, and painfully in a hospital bed.


Losing your ability to reproduce without consent is definitely a bad thing. For others, there's already birth control and vasectomies.


For a while now I've wanted to save some sperm and get snipped. Seems like the best of both worlds - save your young HQ code while not worrying about accidental pregnancy!

Nobody is forcing people to eat fast food all the time. They are consenting by choosing it.


Consenting to eating fast food is not the same as consenting to the second-order effects which you are unaware. That's not how consent works.


> For a while now I've wanted to save some sperm and get snipped. Seems like the best of both worlds - save your young HQ code while not worrying about accidental pregnancy!

If you get it all snipped, you won't have to worry about those nasty STD's, either.


Could we please have a link without paywall, or, even better - original study link please?



thank you!




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