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Professional sports, Hollywood writers, and Hollywood actors all have unions without seniority-based pay or restricted entry.


Professional sports don’t restrict entry for the same reason Idaho doesn’t have a military, someone else does that for them. SAG-AFTRA absolutely does restrict entry, you need $3,000 to pay the joining fee on top of having a year of qualifying membership in another union. The WGA does not appear to restrict entry but if they don’t have seniority based pay the structure of television writer’s rooms makes no sense. In normal industries you don’t see a bunch of twenty and thirty year olds, many fewer forty and fifty year olds and very, very few people in their sixties. That’s what writer’s rooms look like, a bunch of baby writers, slightly fewer journeymen, a great winnowing off people who are too expensive for what they’re worth to hire and show runners at the very top.


> SAG-AFTRA absolutely does restrict entry, you need $3,000 to pay the joining fee on top of having a year of qualifying membership in another union.

A year of qualifying membership in another union, or 1-3 days of work in a movie. The $3,000 initiation fee is mostly to make sure that people are serious about joining and is not inherently required - the union makes almost all of its money from dues. That would also not be a high bar for most Google employees to clear.

> In normal industries you don’t see a bunch of twenty and thirty year olds, many fewer forty and fifty year olds and very, very few people in their sixties.

Isn't that how the tech industry works?


My point was that SAG-AFTRA deliberately restricts entry. If the fee is

> to make sure people are serious about joining and not inherently required

that rather supports them restricting entry doesn’t it?

The tech industry does have a reasonably similar age structure but it’s because of decades of sustained rapid growth more than pushing people out. If your industry grows 100% a decade in employment in year 30 with perfect retention you have 25% of staff with 20 years experience. That’s quite different from static or falling numbers of jobs and getting priced out of working because you’re too expensive.


Professional sports absolutely have seniority based pay. Ever heard of rookie vs veteran contracts in the NFL?


Much like the Writer’s Guild off America that’s not seniority based pay, that’s up or out. You wouldn’t describe the pay structure at McKinsey as seniority based pay, it’s get better or be fired, forever.


Veterans get paid more than rookies. You have to work for X years to be a veteran. That’s the definition of seniority based pay.


Kyler Murray's rookie contract is for $35,158,645. You're talking about the league minimum rookie contract. The veteran minimum is higher than the rookie minimum but there is no prohibition on paying rookies more.




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