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It sounds like you've never been outside of a city in Europe and never been to a city in the US? Urban population in the EU in 2018 is 76% while 82% for the same year in the US according to The World Bank.


> and never been to a city in the US?

Have you? Most of the US urban population in the US fits the points of the OP:

- Very few people use public transportation regularly (they use cars, in the cities, yes)

- Most people have private back yards (the infamous "American suburbs", where 50% of Americans live, count towards the urban population you mention)

- Many more meals are take-out or drive-thru

- More Americans use e-commerce for shopping than Europeans


In some places this is relevant, in other places such as Scandinavia and Germany, other than public transportation it is not.


Are you saying people have big backyards, eat loads of tskeour and order stuff online, in Scandinavia? Have you ever lived in Scandinavia?


Lived in Sweden for the last 15 years. Yeah, people out of cities have big back yards (people in cities have none), most workers eat out every day for lunch, shopping online (except for food) is pretty much the default. Denmark's pretty much the same.

Poke around https://www.hemnet.se/topplistor


I've lived in both, and you're missing how large the difference is. Not to mention you seem to be missing the point.

What the OP was saying is that americans don't eat out that much, is a very heavily home-oriented society - thats why the OP mentioned take out and delivery - not going out for lunch.

And yes people out of cities in nearly all countries have big backyards, but you are missing the people have big back yards in the US EVEN inside city limits. There are ofcourse the couple exceptions like NYC etc. but mostly even big cities have the weird suburban style houses even in the most expensive areas!


Guys, you are missing the point - these stereotypes, however true they might have been (or not), are over currently for Europe. Restaurants are empty or closed, people limit their social interaction and overall exposure to minimum. It doesn't matter much if we speak about Sweden or Italy or anything in between.

What will happen or won't in US or Europe is not anymore dependent on these behaviors.


Lol. I'm in Germany. And lol, just lol. No one here is doing jack.


I've lived in both as well and I don't agree. I concede that I misunderstood the takeout point though.

> you are missing the people have big back yards in the US EVEN inside city

hardly.


Not sure how the backyard argument is relevant anyway. It's not like that makes not spreading the disease that much easier. Public transport is certainly a risk. But I'm not even sure if e-commerce helps. Going to Walmart at 1am and using self checkout is probably much safer than receiving your delivery from someone who might be infected and visits several hundred homes a day.


The vast majority of home deliveries are drop-at-the-door with no human interaction, fwiw.


I’d say the norm is to have a house and backyard with that. The three V’s.

I don’t think I know anyone who haven’t ended up in a house eventually tbh.


Got a citation for those numbers? Another poster claims that the US suburb population alone is 175M, and that's roughly half the country right there. Add in the rural population (46M), and 82% urban seems not even remotely correct.


Other than the citation I gave?

> The World Bank.

Here's some direct links though:

- https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.URB.TOTL.IN.ZS?locat... - https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.URB.TOTL.IN.ZS?locat...


Urban population includes suburbs. That 82% breaks down into 53% suburban (175M, per other poster) and 29% urban (98M).


Urban population in Europe also includes suburbs. Yes, there's less sprawl but enough people in Europe living in urban settings have backyards and reasonably large houses.


Might be they're counting suburban as urban.


Your stat does nothing to counter the OPs argument.




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