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That affordable dispatchable source is gas, and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. It's never been nuclear.

Propping up intermittent is inevitably propping up gas, that's the danger of it



It's gas because CO2 is not taxed. Don't tax gas and renewables will prop it up, but also nuclear doesn't stand a chance of competing. Tax CO2, and renewables will displace gas. The CO2 tax for renewables to take over will be lower than the CO2 tax needed for nuclear to take over. So the point you make there doesn't help new nuclear.

What CO2 taxes would do is keep existing nuclear plants operating a bit longer.


You _can't_ replace gas with intermittent. All sources aren't freely interchangeable. Intermittent doesn't work when the sun doesn't shine or when the wind doesn't blow, so you _need_ something to compensate it, and that's always gas.

Don't look at the system as "this source emits X kW when it's running". Look at the system as "the total demand _right now_ is Y xW, how can it be met ?". Because that's what drives the viability of sources of electricity, and whether they can be replaced with another one. Intermittent, by its very nature, isn't enough for producing electricity, it always needs an additional source.


It's always gas right now, because gas is the cheapest.

But if CO2 is taxed, hydrogen (from water electrolysis with surplus renewable electricity) becomes cheaper. And with cheap renewables, renewables + batteries + hydrogen would be cheaper than a system including nuclear.


> And with cheap renewables, renewables + batteries + hydrogen would be cheaper than a system including nuclear

* Definitely not. Looking at France, Solar and Wind are "cheap" because producers can sell on the grid, and the national operator _must_ buy it, at a higher cost than its own electricity, in a move to prop it up.

* Water electrolysis + electricity generation from hydrogen hasn't been proven to work cheaply at scale, what's the biggest project in existence ?

* Batteries are already not cost-effective at high scales

* All of those imply that storage will be on the same site as production; if not, the grid needs to be overhauled (it is built for few stable sources, not for numerous variable sources) and that cost is never taken into account by those who root for this kind of solutions


When I say renewables are cheap, I mean in comparison to NEW nuclear plants. Of course nuclear plants that already exist, where the sunk costs of construction can be ignored, will be more competitive. But France would spend less money building solar and wind instead of building new nuclear plants.

There is little electrolytic hydrogen today because hydrogen is mostly produced from chemical reforming of natural gas and other fossil fuels. Of course, this ignores the cost of CO2 emission from that process.

Batteries are already being installed in the real world, at very large scale. What exactly prevents them from being installed at even larger scale? And their costs are dropping rapidly, just as the cost of wind turbines and PV modules did.




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