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I would like to understand why vim does not seem to have this problem? I guess as stated below, it's just they way it is marketed. Because the way I see it, emacs is much easier to start out with than vim.

If I start emacs, I can navigate around the text with the arrow keys, the way I would expect from most other text entry systems. Then I can just type stuff. I can click at points in the text to navigate there, just like in notepad or anywhere else.

OTOH in vim it is nothing like that. Nothing is even remotely familiar. Yet there are much more vim users than emacs users. So I don't buy it that the learning curve is the problem.



> I would like to understand why vim does not seem to have this problem?

That’s seriously begging the question — I mean, there’s a pretty popular running joke about quitting vim and it’s been many years since I’ve heard any recommend it as easy to get started with. In the 90s people suggested it due to Emacs hitting memory constraints but most CPUs now have more cache now than those computers had.


I know, people are joking about how it's not usable. But still there are a lot of people using it! So maybe it's not actually an issue for adoption, so I wonder why this argument comes up with emacs then, which, in my opinion, is OOTB not as weird as vim for someone unfamiliar with either of them.




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