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> And we should really go back and stop using those frameworks

I think you are cherry picking.

There are plenty of examples in the modern web of terrible React/etc implementations but that doesn't mean the approach in itself is bad.



> There are plenty of examples in the modern web of terrible React/etc implementations but that doesn't mean the approach in itself is bad.

If the creators of React can't get it right, then what hope is there?


React is bloated and slow, but there are dozens of frameworks other than React.

https://krausest.github.io/js-framework-benchmark/current.ht...


Please name some.


Some good React alternatives?


I’ve been plying around with lit-element lately and am finding it a much simpler experience overall. Likely a lot faster as well https://youtu.be/uCHZJy2n8Qs


Lit is excellent.

It's also possible to use htm with Preact for developing without a bundler if your target users support ES6.

https://github.com/developit/htm




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