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1. People tried to cancel Bernie Sanders, it just didn't work https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/15/bernie-sa...

2. Not a single person who openly advocates Stalinism or similar forceful collectivisation makes it onto the national stage. Meanwhile Richard Spencer was so "cancelled" that he continued to interviewed on national TV

3. In Germany and Europe, most communist parties are under observation by the constitutional secret service, despite being democratic parties

4. In the US, Colin Kapernick was cancelled by the NFL for kneeling to protest police brutality

Leftist positions, as it turns out, are much less inherently tied to authoritarianism than Nazi ideology. Thus, you often see people advocating for democratic socialism on the national stage, but not for Stalinism and a violent revolution. The latter of which immediately gets them cancelled before they become much of a public figure



1. Suggesting Bernie is "too far left" to get elected President is not canceling. Being forced to resign out of office in disgrace is a canceling. James Damore was a nobody with no power who was put under the national spotlight and canceled spectacularly. Rosanne Barr was canceled.

2. Richard Spencer has not been canceled because he went too far left.

3. So not a single person then.

4. Is Kapernick far left?

I actually see people supporting leftist authoritarians openly pretty regularly. I already provided some pop culture examples elsewhere... AOC tweeted Marx's labor theory of value. Bernie openly supported the USSR (even honeymooned there), Cuba, Venezuela, and is an open socialist. I see people wearing Che Guevera shirts walking down the street.


People who think differently than you are not openly supporting authoritarian regimes.

If the left is so powerful, so accepted, where are all the communists in power? Who's in the white House?

Colin Kapernick isn't remotely far left, and he still got cancelled.


This is what cognitive dissonance looks like. Instead of addressing my very simple and direct question you are changing the subject and talking about other things. Where is the limit on the left that is too far, and who is someone who has been canceled for going there?

There are open Marxists in Congress, in Hollywood, in the top Universities. Corporate press and the NBA openly supports Communist China. There is no such equivalence on the right. There's no open Hitler supporters pulling the levers of power. Trump is not a white nationalist, not even close.


I tire of this, I have answered that multiple times. A hard limit is Stalinism,forced collectivisation via revolution. Noone who has ever called for that has survived politically. But you don't even need to go that far left: Kapernick was cancelled, his career is over. For criticising racist police violence. MLK was killed.

Trump has on multiple occasions used Nazi imagery, quotes and Slogans. "America First" was a Slogan used by American fashists https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/01/20/...

He only condemned David Duke after a media uproar.

If your standard for "white supremacists" is "openly admits to wanting to eradicate or enslave blacks and Jews, as was done before" and your standard for "far left" is "anyone who admits to some Marxist ideology" then you are measuring with two different sticks. And trying to make these two equivalent is dishonest.

The Marxists in power did so by democratic elections and without any shady business (I know of no ongoing investigations or impeachments at least). The barely shaded fashist in power still has investigations running, has deteriorated the democratic institutions in the US whenever he could and used rubber bullets and gas to (possibly illegally) clear a parc from protestors for a photo op. Which of these are more in line with authoritarianism?

But actually, don't bother to answer unless you will actually engage. If in the charitable case, for you any form of Marxist thought means hardcore left, then you are also dismissing all of social democracy as "far left", which is literally most of Europe. And in the most uncharitable case, you are wasting my time trying to create a false equivalence between democraty compatible socialist ideas and fashism, which is inherently nondemocratic. Have a nice day




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