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I understand why socialism appeals to people when they see so much suffering and inequality in the world. What I do not understand is why any scholars would cling to the labour theory of value in light of such things as multi-billionaire startup founders.

It should be pretty clear to anyone at this point that all you need is a laptop, programming skills, a good idea, and a lot of luck to become a billionaire. You don’t need thousands, let alone millions, of employees labouring for you.



> You don’t need thousands, let alone millions, of employees labouring for you.

Name a company with a billion dollars in revenue that is, or could be, operated solely by someone with a laptop and programming skills.


Previous poster didn’t claim billion dollars in revenue - just that to become a billionaire. Take Facebook acquisitions for example - WhatsApp, Oculus - low headcount (less than 500) for multiple billions.


> low headcount (less than 500)

Indeed. There's a big difference between 1 person and a team of hundreds.


There are a lot of trusts out there that operate with no full time employees and make billions in revenue. Maybe getting returns on investments isn't really a company, but it's also hard to say something like a hedge fund isn't a company.


Those trusts earn their money by investing it in enterprises that actually create value through the use of many employees.

I definitely would not describe myself as a socialist (I have an academic background in economics) but it's pretty clear that the labor theory of value is not contradicted in the slightest by citing examples of lone rent-seekers.


Which billionaire has turned a good idea into a billion dollars without at least hundreds of employees?

And what of users? The value in social media companies, for example, comes from the number of users, who provide free labor in producing content.


Leverage the install base of more computers than humans.

Write code that makes those computers $0.01-$0.10 more valuable for human being, multiply by large number of humans paying yearly.

Billion dollars, easy


> As well as these two primary classes, there are other (smaller) classes in capitalist society,

While central to Marx’s writing, the LTV isn't particularly essential to socialism (that labor is essential to the production of value is, the LTV itself is not).

> It should be pretty clear to anyone at this point that all you need is a laptop, programming skills, a good idea, and a lot of luck to become a billionaire.

Or ownership of sufficient quantity of the means of production and a lot less luck. But, though there are reasons to question the LTV, I'm not sure how the high value of of some particular labor that requires only minor capital to realize in any way figures I to such criticism.


that labor is essential to the production of value is, the LTV itself is not

But that's silly. We see celebrities generating tremendous amounts of economic value by the "labour" of taking a selfie. To emphasize the labour is like focusing on the discarded cigarette butt instead of the thousands of acres of dry tinder it landed in.

Or ownership of sufficient quantity of the means of production and a lot less luck

People who own factories needed a lot of luck to get there as well. What real difference does it make whether I earn a billion dollars with a factory or a laptop? Or are they roughly equivalent in power and my laptop ought to be collectivized? That doesn't seem right.


> We see celebrities generating tremendous amounts of economic value by the "labour" of taking a selfie.

Well, and their and various publicists and promoters labor that went into creating the environment for the reception of that selfie, and lots of other people's labor on the things that made the celebrity a celebrity, whether it's the labor that went into building a business that made the family name for someone like Paris Hilton, or the labor that went into making movies or TV shows for celebrities manufactured in Hollywood, or the labor that went into political campaigns for celebrities of political origin.


But all that same labour goes into aspiring celebrities that nobody cares about. Hollywood is full of them. So the value clearly does not come from the labour.

Heck, even celebrities who have “made it” like Kevin Costner can still produce something like “Waterworld” while complete nobodies like JK Rowling can launch themselves to mega stardom by writing a novel while commuting on the train.


Don't forget to be insanely smart. Otherwise programming skills won't help.


Insanely smart, and well educated.




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