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So you're getting mad at people who are reacting irrationally to you speeding through neighborhoods?

I think there's more than one problem here.



Stop signs are a pretty bad solution for traffic calming, though. The key to effective traffic calming is to shape drivers’ natural behaviors, not authoritatively demand it.

A stop sign that serves no purpose than to slow people down will piss off drivers more than anything, and lead to people speeding between signs or running them. It will make your street noisier as impatient people aggressively obey the signs.

A typical neighborhood would be much better off if traffic was calmed by adding kerb extensions or narrowing the lanes.

I think the above commenter might share my frustration that local politics is often full of people unknowingly demanding the wrong solution to their problem.


As someone who lives in a neighborhood full of stop signs (just about every other street is signed), I find that it actually does exactly what you're saying, i.e. shape drivers' natural behaviors.

Almost everyone elects to drive on one of the nearby "thoroughfares" rather than stop and start all the way through the neighborhood. So I see stop signs as the perfect solution.

I'd agree this wouldn't probably work on a road that sees heavy traffic already though.


Except where I live they also put stop signs on the thoroughfares. Some places just have messed up traffic.


Stop signs are not meant to calm traffic, they're safety features. When you have to stop, you're not blindly driving into traffic, that's the whole point. You stop, you need to start driving again, you have the time to look to the left and to the right.


You can look left and right while gently rolling through there is no need to come to a full stop in many cases.


You can, but few do. The Stop sign makes sure you've come to a halt and are focused on what happens next instead of "just cruising".

Interruptions reset focus (unless you're so distracted that you don't notice the sign).


No, you need to come to a full stop at a stop sign. That's why it says STOP on it with capital letters - so that even idiots know what to do.


The point is that other jurisdictions get away with using way fewer stop signs than in North America, while having much safer roads.


Yep, from driving in the States it is clear that they liberally use stop sign where you really want a yield sign.


Even with perfect visibility, ignoring stop signs can kill:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYeeTvitvFU


Slowing down to idle speed and ensuring the intersection is clear absolutely nothing like what’s being addressed in that video.


Congratulations, you just got an immediate fail on your driving exam!


The US is gradually coming around (heh) to roundabouts.


I hope so, the only one in my immediate area is about 30 feet in diameter... That's right, there is a single-lane for the roundabout itself!


In retrospect, saying that I drive spiritedly immediately after talking about neighborhoods, was unfortunate juxtaposition on my part. The two are not related!


Nope! I don't speed through neighborhoods; in fact, I drive more slowly than most people through them. I did, however, have a commute through a neighborhood, for 10 years. (There was a 30mph arterial off of which spur roads went into the neighborhoods; no houses fronted the road, just fences).

A number of 4-way stops existed on the route to the office complex for no valid reason whatsoever. The arterial traffic was the vast majority of traffic. I watched over the course of 10 years as more 4-way stops were installed to calm traffic, which is specifically contra-indicated by proper traffic engineering. In fact, I remember reporting on one community meeting, where the community hired a traffic engineer who specifically told them not to use stop signs for traffic calming; they did anyway.

The stop signs actually took away from the attention folks paid to cross streets. Eyes down, stare at stop line, come to a stop, go.. it was much easier to not notice cross traffic or pedestrians!

They all should have been roundabouts, frankly.

Anyway, my point is, 4 way stops are an environmental nightmare in every possible way, and rarely the correct solution.




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