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Except really we've established you weren't personally targeted and were just a random person in a protesting mob...



1. In the sense that I used the term, I had the personal experience of being targeted. Attempting to browbeat me with your misapprehension is not going to work.

2. You're now editorializing my experience of which you have no knowledge, calling it a mob. Oh my. Please refrain from using your imagination regarding my experiences.


I don't think you really understand the meaning of the words "I had the personal experience of being targeted." Mostly because you seem to ignore the words you use. Especially the word "targeted." Also because you could eliminate the word "personally" and you'd be more correct. But really, you can't just be in the middle of a protesting mob and then they get tear gassed and then say "HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME AND ONLY ME?!"

>2. You're now editorializing my experience of which you have no knowledge, calling it a mob. Oh my. Please refrain from using your imagination regarding my experiences.

I think that's a lesson you could learn from regarding other people as well. It seems like a right you reserve just for you.


How is that better? In what world is police officers dosing large groups of protestors acceptable?

Give it enough years, and people will talk about the brave protestors of 2020. But like all "brave protests" of the past, today they should be supported, and are not.


In the perfectly reasonable world where the protest was escalated by rioters, anarchists, and arsonists (you know, like every protest in portland, since ever) and the police issue a dispersal order as a response to buildings on fire and violent attacks. Then they issue 5 more. Then they announce it on twitter. There is NO other way to deal with a riot. The police are vastly outnumbered and have very few tools to do their job. Well there is another way, but it’s far worse.

Nothing about these “protests” after dark is brave. It’s shameful and cowardly. So is the response from politicians.


In SEA, that's not how it's worked. The police violence has come before the announcements. Before any serious property damage (not that property damage justifies collective punishment or chemical weapons).

Have you been to the protests in PDX? Seen the cops hurting people for standing in a protest?


This is false for both Seattle and Portland. Like pretty much everything else you’re saying.


Absolute nonsense. I was there, repeatedly. They shot first and either then made an announcement or never made one.

Example: they announced a curfew via text a few minutes before it went into effect. Many didn't get this because they didn't have their phones with them. Tear gas and flashbangs had already been deployed with zero warnings from police.

It is not helpful or okay to assert such falsehoods with confidence.


You were in both portland and seattle? have you considered your correlation to madness? Is it a 100% correlation? I'm sorry, but are you saying protesters didn't have their phones on them? As opposed to literally every other protester who is filming every unfortunate human interaction at every protest?


Larry has been reading some very reputable stoke-the-racial-fear blogs!


That’s a pretty disgusting and shameful comment.


No, it's not. I did a search for the string "lawnchair_larry" on this, the second page (i.e. the low-quality page) of comments on this story. It shows up 15 times. Then I went to the third page (i.e. the really low-quality page), opened all the hidden "[more]" subthreads, searched again, and found the string another 10 times. (Nothing showed up on the first page!) You have a lot to say. I read quite a few of these excretions, and found nothing but prejudice, misinformation, conspiracy theories, and unwarranted fear. You should better educate yourself about the situation in this nation and you should be a better person. The fact that you feel more empathy for abusive white cops than for their minority victims is a fact about you, not about the world.


Wow, those are some serious charges!

Ok, I’ll bite. It’s racist, by the way, to point out the cops race. So that tells us a little about you.

I challenge you to show me a single example of:

1) A conspiracy theory

2) Prejudice

3) Misinformation

4) Racism

5) Feeling more empathy for abusive cops (of any race) than their victims (of any race).

All my info is either from primary sources, actual data, documentation, or first hand knowledge, not news or blogs, so no need to get cute with the snark. Try to have an adult discussion?


No one relevant agrees with your tired attempt to redefine the word "racist". By the way like 90% of all the white Americans I've ever met I certainly have done and said racist things. It isn't the end of the world, to admit that. Apologize and move on. Don't persist in error.

I can't believe you've trolled me into this. Twenty minutes of my life, down the drain:

1) conspiracy theory

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24283872 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24278860 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24278910

2) Prejudice

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24279521

3) Misinformation

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24283872 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24284118 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24286768 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24278829 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24278879 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24278704 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24283485 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24283558 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24283514 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24278969 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24278990

4) Racism

5) Feeling more empathy for abusive cops (of any race) than their victims (of any race).

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24284044 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24278704 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24283485 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24283514 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24283587 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24278990

6) Unwarranted fear

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24278750 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24278910


you really did waste twenty minutes


The first one is literally on the BLM website. Not a conspiracy theory. Go read it.

Second one said Seattle’s lost their black female police chief. Basic fact, not a conspiracy theory.

Third one also contains no conspiracy theory.

3 strikes, you’re out. I assume the rest are more links of me not saying anything close to what you purport. Which I knew, because I didn’t say those things.

Your list for racism was empty, btw.


shame on you for judging the quality of a post based on its page number on hacker news. it's like you couldn't be more shallow if you tried.

if you call someone racist don't back down.




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