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In some ways this comment is spot on, but in many others it's not. England, Australia, France and Germany all had unprecedented terror attacks in the years since 9-11. All of those have put in place much increased physical, telecommunications and financial surveillance, except maybe France (I don't know about France). Perhaps not post-9-11 world outside the U.S., but definitely a world in terror from the governments' point of view. From an average citizen POV, it's probably more like 'Didn't something happen a few years ago at an Ariana Grande concert?'.


> ..., Germany all had unprecedented terror attacks in the years since 9-11.

Germany hasn't - we've had much worse terror attacks in the years before 9-11. I'll just mention the Oktoberfest attack or the attack on the munich olympic games. In terms of collective scare, the RAF (Rote Armee Fraktion) far eclipses any terror risk after 9-11. Even today, more people get killed by Nazi supporters than other terrorists.

We still have put a lot of restrictive measures in place, but it's more that 9-11 and terrorism act as a convenient leverage to impose those measures and not the actual danger.


Germany had a role in the 9/11 attacks by letting the Hamburg cell slip under their radar


By that reasoning you might say the US had a huge role in 9/11 because the Bin Laden issue station failed to identify and prevent his attacks. I wouldn't say that, they did the best they could with the budget they had, and the approvals they were (or weren't) given.


I'm responding to the Europeans who want to wrap 9/11 (and further, Islamic terrorism) into a tidy "America's problem" package when it clearly isn't


I don't think Australia did. Although it's leadership has been acting as if it had.


Australia had a good amount of its citizens killed in the Bali bombings.




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