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So, they're still culling fertilized eggs with males, they just do it before they hatch now. I guess it's a little more visually appealing to the public, but it literally changes nothing. The same number of chickens are still culled, they still get turned into animal feed.

Honestly, what difference does it really make if male chickens are shredded and ground up into feed pre or post hatching? It's the same result in the end.



It's the whole abortion vs infanticide debate.

People almost universally feel that infanticide is wrong.

Abortion for whatever reason is easier for people to stomach.

Basically it's easier for people to feel good about preventing an embryo from turning into a cute little baby than it is for them to immediately kill that cute little baby once it's born.


One part that is different is that a human / mammal embryo is literally inside of another human, putting a strain on the parent's resources and health.

A bird embryo is much more independent, pretty much only needing some heat.


Speaking from personal experience, while an infant may not be inside of you it's definitely still putting a strain on the parents' resources and health.


It's not though, we're talking about chickens that are for the most part destined to live in a cage and end up on someone's plate.


I'm not sure I understand your point. What's more acceptable and why:

1. Killing an 8 day old chicken embryo

2. Killing a 2 month old human embryo


About the same really.

The whole process of factory farming is brutal. Trying to sugarcoat it by calling them no-death eggs is semantics at best.

It changes nothing about the factory farming system, the number of culled chickens, or the conditions the unculled chickens are kept it.

The only difference it makes is now people don't have to see cute fluffy birds tossed into meat grinders.

It makes people feel better while changing nothing about the fundamental problems of the system.

Kind of like recycling.


It's the same instinct at play, in my opinion.


Sure, doesn't mean it's anything other than something to make people feel better while changing nothing.


I was just trying to agree with you.


Eggs don't feel pain, live chicks do. For some people that is very important, it might not be for you but its a very clear difference.


That's why I'm wondering. I've seen chick shredding videos, and these machines are fast. You can't even see the killing process unless it is in slow motion: chicks just disappear and ground meat falls down the other side.

If the machine is working correctly, I'm not sure the chicks have time to process pain, we are close to the limits of what a nervous system is capable of.


What about the time spent on the way to the machine, the sound, the smell?

Perhaps we can rationalize that they “don’t know what is going on” but it seems unlikely that they are having a good time.

In general baby warm blooded animals want to be near their mothers.

Better to cull pre hatch.

Better still to just eat lentils.


I was just responding the "feel pain" part. The process is certainly unpleasant for the chicks, but here I only focused on pain.

As for culling pre-hatch, I agree with the idea. Not only it is a win for animal welfare, but I believe it may end up being cheaper and more efficient for the farm.


It's a bit less horrific... the line between egg and birth is a clear line between brutalizing an organism capable of feeling pain and one that might not have reached that point (depending on how close to hatching it is).


> the line between egg and birth is a clear line

> (depending on how close to hatching it is)

Not so clear a line then.


Yea, it's not completely clear where the actual line is, but it's absolutely clear where it is not. So the claims of this company should be inspected to see if they are closer or further from the real line.


Perhaps the death is less pain-/stressful for the egg since it isn't aware of its surroundings yet? (Or is it?)




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