This is interesting and clashes with my personal experience. I eat two vegetarian meals a day which usually include beans, eggs, or oats. In my experience meat is considerably more satiating than meals with beans or eggs but less satiating than the meals with oats.
They specified a high-protein vegetarian meal. So unless the meal is purely made from nuts, it would have to consist of processed HP ingredients like TVP.
A sibling post mentioned another study which suggests that it's actually the fibre content that determines satiety, which maybe matches your observation about oats?
I experimented with vegetarian meals a few months back and found I could eat literally 1kg+ of cooked lentils/beans/etc and still feel hungry. <500g of chicken breast (plus vegetables), on the other hand, would see me through.
Ultimately, as with all biological systems, its hard to make absolute assertions of the most optimal diet (the sample size in this trial is n=43 which is pretty small when you consider the variation in peoples gut biomes due to genetics and lifestyle) be it full carnivore to the strictest form of veganism, there will always be people who can perform on these diets. But most people fall within the averages, and thus personal experimentation is required to adjust and refine for one's own use.
I worked at a highly acclaimed Vegan and Vegetarian farm to table, and for the life of me I couldn't even get my body to adjust to eating seitan or tempeh as a main source of protein. I'd eat tons of salads with qunioa and legumes and still feel fatigued all day and I drank tons of kombucha to try and make the most use of the additional fiber. Ultimately I gave up after 2 weeks and just ended up bringing in my own grass fed beef and cooking it in tallow or goose fat after service with all the veg sauted in the pan as sides and felt way better. I had a horrible mental fog and dull headache the entire time, my body felt sluggish and I felt like I was not sleeping well for those 2 weeks and I don't think I'd cope with that for very long as I have a hard time keeping my weight up as it is.
After spending the better part of decade on matters related to diet and longer if I include self experimentation, I've come to realize its far more Art than it is Science and that one shoe does not and cannot fit all.
Obviously we should reduce our meat consumption in the West, and opt for smaller, organic and grass fed cuts of better quality meat cooked in good animal fats in our diet but phasing it out entirely seems like an unobtainable panacea to me at best, and a horrible existence for most like myself.
But Life is too short to suffer through more than one bad meal a month, and I work to damn hard to not enjoy myself for the 1 meal I eat a day now. Which is often a 4:1 ratio of Veg/Carb to meat.
Context: I grew up eating tofu as a kid, so I was no stranger to eating soy based protein but it was usually as a side dish or a garnish in a soup rather than meal itself.
> Did you actually cook those animal products at the vegan/veg restaurant? If so, that was very rude of you.
Yes, but two points: we shared a kitchen layout with our sister catering kitchen right next to us. So I used their equipment when I cooked, also we had a cleaning company come in daily to do a deep clean of the equipment.
I get the sentiment, but honestly you don't want to know how much cross-contaminated food you eat when you go to a restaurant. Its just the nature of the beast, especially when you share walk-ins and do prep with the same equipment etc...
Mine too, with caveats. A steak + veggies and I'm satiated and alert for hours. Similar calorie content with beans or other vegetable sources and I'm hungrier sooner and often feel sluggish/de-energised. I also don't particularly enjoy the increased mass and volume of food I need to eat if I exclude meat from my diet.
Still, I think there's an element of balance here. If I eat beef too many days on the trot I don't end up feeling so great either. The key thing is to keep it mixed up with a good variety of veggies, meat, and carbs[0].
[0] I will say that overly processed carbs like pasta, pizza base, etc., and even things like rice tend to leave me hungry, sluggish and irritable if I have too much of them. Potatoes seem to cause fewer issues.
When I became vegetarian I was 'hungry'.l in the way you describe for about 1-2 weeks, after that the issue disappeared and a plate of beans is very satisfying and keeps my stomach happy for a long period.
I would guess this is a lot about habituation/expectations and less about whether the food is meat/milk product/soy/grains. Therefore also some caution about the study: eating an unfamiliar food a few times might leave a very different effect than something the body is used to.
that matches my experience as well. whenever i've actively changed my diet (to small meals or low-carb, not necessarily vegetarian), it takes ~10 days for the body to re-habituate and settle on the new norm.
> In my experience meat is considerably more satiating than meals with beans or eggs but less satiating than the meals with oats.
Try adding some fat, e.g., perhaps use whole (3%) milk with your oats if you're using water. Or soak them in not-low-fat Greek yogurt (for protein) overnight if you don't mind a cold breakfast.
