‘Even the bad actors aren’t really that bad because they support a cause I see as valuable’ seems to be the primary excuse floating around on here.
All political violence should be treated equally.
I also think that all races/genders/etc should be treated equally but even that has become taboo in progressive circles. Which is probably using the same sort of mental gymnastics that justifies some violence but not vilifies others.
I also think that all races/genders/etc should be treated equally but even that has become taboo in progressive circles.
Problem is, it's always been taboo in conservative circles as well. That is the great problem of our day. All these political ideologues espouse beliefs contrary to the good of large numbers of people in our society. They give speeches about how it's not "us" but the other side who are the bad guys, but then they all send their pet terrorists out to riot, loot, and in the case of the capitol attackers gather intel to hand over to our nation's adversaries.
These political extremists are simply bad people all the way around. No matter what way you look at it.
I will say that these events have given me some respect for the right wing media. They at least were willing to call these riots and condemm them, which is more than I can say about the reaction to blm. From the left media.
Probably because you have an affinity for them from the outset. Just as those who have respect for left wing media likely had an affinity for liberals from the outset.
It's long been my opinion however, that they need to be dealt with. Just as the pet terrorists they control need to be dealt with. I have zero respect for them, and look forward to seeing a lot of these ideological extremist organizations dismantled over the next decade.
It's time to turn up the heat on these people so high that they won't know who to trust.
Heh, my respect for rw media is generally pretty low. Its just that my previous respect for lw media has been steadily getting shaved away. Probably amplified by the way that I'm exposed to far more of it.
Unfortunately, I don't think we're going to get dismantling of extremists. Rather, I see the opposite, further partisanship where one's extremists are ignored and only the enemy should be criticised. The rapid crystallization of the Pro censorship movement on traditionally free speech supporting circles for their political opponents seems to support this.
I find them harder to separate in the capitol incident. The event they were attending was named "Stop the Steal". At some level people there were invested in a tenuous narrative about how functional our elections are.
It's obvious they did not all commit crimes, but they somewhat tacitly encouraged what brought it about. I generally don't feel the same way about BLM activists. There were situations in BLM events where the boundary was overstepped, and inexcusable mob behavior took over. Perhaps I give a big pass because I am sympathetic to the overall aims of the movement, and for the "Stop the Steal" event I see a lot of malice in the lies that caused people to deny (not just question) the outcome of the election.
there were 70M+ that voted for Trump.
estimates say about 1M folks were somewhere around in DC
A few thousands walked to the Capitol
A few hundred got into the building
There were known provocateurs from the other side..not an opinion, charges filed against Antifa and also a CNN reporter who was recorded being excited about the whole thing.
My comments were specific to attendees of the Jan. 6th event. I would assign (varying) culpability to a large majority of that group for the events that followed. 70M have varied reasons for choosing one of two candidates, but people who attended "stop the steal" event have mostly self-selected as buying into an absurd take on our election process and safeguards.
I see one alleged provacateur, John Sullivan, acting on his own volition because he's been rejected from groups for his violent behavior in Utah earlier this year. So far identified and charged participants don't support the early fabrications about the attack being an anti-fascist operation.
