You can unknow at the point you no longer posses the capacity to know. Which is why pre-birth and post-life are the same.

The mistake is in projecting the current emotions of attachment to the current capacity to experience all the things to a time where no such capacity exists. If you do that you will feel afraid of death in this way. If you see pre-birth as fundamentally exactly the same as post-life and aren't bothered by the pre-birth phase, then you have no problems.

It’s not fear of being dead once you’re dead, it’s fear of losing all of these joys in life while you’re alive and knowing that it’s all going away.

I’m only not bothered by pre-birth because I wasn’t alive to understand the wonderful existence I have now.

It’s like being at a great party but knowing that your ride home is coming soon. I’d rather stay at the party.

Bad metaphor. You're still alive after a party and could go to another. You're still projecting your aliveness onto the dead state. You choose how you feel about it based on how you frame it. If I frame it the way you do, then I feel the same way. If that ever happens, which on the odd occasion it does, I reframe it to my preferred frame and those feelings disappear.

> You're still alive after a party and could go to another.

Hmm. What I’ve said is basically that it’s the only party - but that’s to evoke a feeling not to be taken literally.

> You’re still projecting your aliveness onto the dead state

I’m not sure I follow. Can you elaborate? I’m speaking about specifically being alive and enjoying that, not fearing death in the act of being dead. I fear death as an alive person, not as a dead person.

When I say I fear death it’s not that I fear being dead. There won’t be anything. But as an alive person I know there’s lots of awesome stuff I’d like to be a part of. I would like to continue that experience. I don’t care what death holds.

To summarise "don't think about it".

Why do you fear it as an alive person? I get that you do, and I can make myself feel this way too if I indulge that same frame of reference. But why do you feel those emotions? Losing something hurts. But why do you feel bad about that loss? Most likely it's because you _can_ feel bad about it while you are alive. And, I certainly get that. It does make sense. But I see it as a fundamental error to feel this sense of loss about not being able to enjoy all the experiences of being alive because as a rule I take into account the fundamental state change that occurs after I'm dead. I look at that period only from the perspective of being dead, as that's how I'll be. If you look at being dead from the perspective of being alive, a frame in which you have emotions you can feel, then it feels bad, but this is some sort of strange faux-state that doesn't actually exist in reality as once you're dead you're dead, and while you're alive you're not dead. You're mixing aliveness and deadness together where I choose to cleanly separate them. I don't think about being dead from the perspective of being alive or having had been alive.

Don’t take this as an ill-intention comment but if you live with the perspective of a dead person why not just kill yourself?

Why would you care and why would it matter if you do? Like what’s the point of being alive with such an outlook?

I live with the perspective of an alive person while alive of course. Surely that isn't that tough to grasp?

Sure - sorry. I’m not really following your reasoning from some of your posts above on the topic.