A potent analogy, perhaps it will sway those that don't consider consent an important part of social research.

I expect the department and university to perform a thorough investigation, and respond with decisive action afterwards. Not the other way around.

> respond with decisive action afterwards. Not the other way around.

... absolutely. Perhaps people liked the flavor.

Your insinuation that I think there may have been no wrongdoing is unjustified and insulting. The behavior has been halted from both sides, no more active harm is being done; your urgency is misplaced. Somehow you think it's unreasonable to investigate before casting judgement -- as if justice itself is invalid if not met out at the pace of a twitter mob's attention span.

I beg your pardon; i do not insinuate anything on your part: I agree with you. Investigate this and see if there's been any wrongdoing or just honest mistakes and correct those that were made... at the professional, academic level; that certainly seems proper.

I am snarking about the apparent disconnect between the previous suspect activities that have apparently not yet resulted in that kind of oversight thus requiring this kind of sanction from the kernel team. I am snarking because the "poor us" these folks already pulled on LKML shows any debate is pointless, as this is firmly a matter of identity politics already.

In other words, yes, some people do prefer that flavor.

Thank you for clarifying. I agree that the researchers' initial response was comically out-of-touch, and can now see the perspective where your snark satirises their statements (deservedly so).

I apologize for my aggressive tone, perhaps I should take my own advice and be more inquisitive at first when replying to someone. :) I think the best version of my previous reply would have been something like: "It seems like you think it's unreasonable to investigate before casting judgement." which still expresses my (confused) perspective fairly well but leaves you with a more comfortable space to clarify.

I appreciate your civility as well; thanks.

I have investigated, as far as I feel I need to cast judgment. I'm just some hick on a hill in the woods. My censure amounts to a ghosted bit of snark.

If the people who employ these folks make snarky comments about them, that's no more meaningful. If they choose to examine the actual evidence of the behavior at issue here, they might find it upsetting as i do... or hell i dunno there's many reasons they might not. I can't imagine what explanation there might be for this behavior but i'll allow there might be one even I could agree with...

Allegedly. Of course the department will want to do their due diligence and investigate the accusations.

More likely: "We have concluded that since this is research on the coffee urn handling process it is not subject to review for compliance with our policies on research on human subjects."