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>Despite the sad loss of the ACLU as an institution that cares about civil liberties, we can remain hopeful due to other organizations like FIRE.

You're just going to leave it there? What/who is FIRE? This isn't one of those unique words easily discovered during a web search.



FIRE is mentioned in the original article, including a contrast between ACLU and FIRE.


The civil liberties background of Harvey Silverglate, one of the founders of FIRE, is quite interesting. Apparently he used to be with the ACLU until they switched direction.

Source(s):

http://www.harveysilverglate.com/about-harvey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Silverglate


Type FIRE into wikipedia and you get a list of 13 choices. One of those 13 matches the context of this conversation: Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, a civil liberties organization in the US


From context, I’d guess they are an organization who the parent commentator believes represents civil liberties better than the ACLU.

It seems they also edited their comment to include a link - seems pretty reasonable to me.


>It seems they also edited their comment to include a link - seems pretty reasonable to me.

Well of course this was done after my comment.


"fire org" and "fire civil liberties" both return the correct result in the first ranking. It really isn't that difficult


Perhaps, but then YOU are not doing it the service it deserves by simply slapping it in there and not providing any context.

This is the problem with the whole "DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH" retort that lots of political arguments deteriorate into. If YOU have already done said research, and you have an informed opinion from said research, then you should share it directly in the conversation at hand.

Not only do you avoid looking like a jerk by trying to end a conversation with "look it up" or something similar; you are also able to potentially be the reason someone changes their mind on the subject because you evangelized something that you believe in instead of leaving them potentially thinking "People who like FIRE must be jerks."


> Not only do you avoid looking like a jerk by trying to end a conversation with "look it up" or something similar

What on Earth are you talking about? Your whole comment is in reference to rebuffing a request for more details with "look it up". _Nobody here is doing that_. The original comment mentioned FIRE without describing it; presumably you don't think every mention of an organization must come with an executive summary? The response then whined about how the previous comment left them with an ungoogleable dead-end. My comment simply said that, with context, it was far from ungoogleable (and thus the aggressive tone towards the parent comment wasn't warranted). The reason I personally didn't provide more information is that I myself am not that familiar with FIRE, certainly not to the extent that I'd be able to summarize why they're an adequate substitute for the ACLU.

> you evangelized something that you believe in instead of leaving them potentially thinking "People who like FIRE must be jerks

This and the rest of your comment is a perfect example of the decay of discourse behind things like the ACLU's troubles. Instead of trying to understand what they read, people like you are desperate to pattern-match to some imagined ill and then mistake your hysterical emotional response for moral reasoning.


I suspect you did not read the article.




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