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Every legitimate company will comply with court orders. What's the story here?



They don't have to collect data. It's an offline audio editor.


They do if the law forces them to. Audacity are just writing the way things are.


In which country does the law force offline applications to collect user's information?


Audacity is a GPL licensed public domain offline audio editor. There is nothing to compel such a nebulous community driven software effort to behave as you suggest. Not everything is made by companies, you know. This community software is being hijacked by a slimy corporate operator who is doing things we don’t have to accept, as such a code license means that they are not the owners of the code, we are. All that is required is a telemetry-free fork and bad publicity and removal from distros for the bad corporate actor. Ultimate Guitar are bad actors. Denounce them. They certainly are cheeky, putting something they didn’t make out with a new skin that phones home.


Except Audacity is a fully local audio editor. It doesn't need to know that the internet is a thing at all. It has no business creating network sockets.


Audacity does not need to collect data and has successfully served its purpose for years without collecting any.


It has served its purpose with a shoddy UI. Can you blame them for wanting to improve it? Telemetry helps with that.


No, user testing helps with that. It's something you do before you ship.


For an application that is used by hundreds of thousands to millions of people, user testing does not scale and will never be representative.


I’d take a shoddy UI and no spyware over a good UI that’s spying on me despite being an offline application. I’ve used Audacity for years and I shan’t be upgrading until a spyware-free fork is available.

Ultimate Guitar have a history of abusive behaviour towards open source projects and I sincerely hope this is a PR catastrophe for them.


Like loan sharks care about helping poor people. No thanks to predators offering help. Audacity ui worked fine for me for over a decade. Your opinion otherwise doesn’t justify such rapacious behavior on the part of Ultimate Guitar, who basically hijacked a community project for their own ends. Bad faith actor, and I’m having trouble seeing your comment as innocent. Who do you work for here? I find your association of good ui and telemetry to be highly suspect and certainly not logical. Feel free to correct my ignorance and elaborate on your strange proposal. NSA backdoors don’t make themselves, there’s always that special someone on every committee


Why do you need to collect IP addresses for what is an offline audio editing tool?


I've made this point before[1]:

> Courts can compel them to log this information, so all claims about not keeping logs are just theater. The second they're ordered to by a court in the US, they will.

But the consensus around here seemed to be that courts can't do that[2].

Maybe the story is that people now know that courts can, indeed, do that.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27531149

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27533701


Are you a lawyer? Why are you more credible than anyone else on this matter?

We have, in fact, seen companies publicly push back on doing additional work by claiming that it was an undue burden on them when they are not a defendant. If I recall, this was one of Apples arguments when they were involved in their well publicized case with the FBI.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/02/17/467096705...

I’m not a lawyer, so maybe I missed something.




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