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I'm usually all about investigations like this but the repeated claims that obesity is, for sure, not caused by diet is a leap. Also, the claim "people ate worse in the past (bread and lard)" doesn't ring true and is unsubstantiated.

My own opinion: we are seeing what happens when we combine an increasingly sedentary lifestyle with eating mass produced, low quality foods. Fruits and vegetables are becoming decreasingly nutritious. Animals (even organic) are force fed poor diets to slaughter them a few days earlier, whose fats contain high concentrations of these poor diets. There are lots of examples of food quality going down.

I especially think the problem is related to a combination of excessive carb intake, and PUFAs (think vegetable / seed oils found in a huge portion and variety of foods). There is a growing body of research this is the case [1].

DYOR.

1. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16184193/



What's wrong with bread and lard? For many old timers it was and still is a treat. Have you ever tried it? It's good! Many of those old timers lived over a hundred years!


I am pretty sure if you actually have bread and lard like in the old times it will make you less fat than modern industrialized food.


What do you think of the growing research on other obesogenics? and of populations that have had excessive carb intake for a long, long time? I think many things seem more probable than just carbs and PUFAs.

I do agree the author's have taken some leaps. Leaps have to be taken as there is imperfect data to support any theory on the obesity epidemic, but I agree that leaps should be better acknowledged.


>>I'm usually all about investigations like this but the repeated claims that obesity is, for sure, not caused by diet is a leap.

I think authors list convincing arguments:

1) the diets on average not working for weight loss

2) experiments with overfeeding causing a little of easily revertible weight gain

3) lipostate theory with understood possible pathways


Have you read https://fireinabottle.net/? Some other HNer posted it just a few days ago.




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