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> Averages like that, including for the US population, are meaningless. Your chances if you live in Englewood (South Side Chicago) are dramatically higher, while if you're in rural Utah, somewhat less. Same for prisons.

If you say so. That's not a compelling response. Any data other than "I say it's meaningless"?

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-jail...

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2021/06/23/jail_mortality/

etc




I don't know what you'd find compelling, then. You quoted two articles about jails. Jails are different from prisons.


A prison is a jail. While I would like to say deaths are less likely in say a city or county jail, the data is not differentiating. County "jails" are included in most prison data. One of the links is literally about "jails", so the pedantry is not useful.


>One of the links is literally about "jails", so the pedantry is not useful.

Both links are about jails, when the discussion was about prisons. Their pedantry was completely on point.

And while prisons and jails are similar enough that you can group data from them to get a view of the entire legally detained population, that doesn't make statements about one entirely transferable to the other. They're different institutions run by different people and housing different (though overlapping) populations.


So which case are you arguing?

1) Prisons and jails are horrible places, and inmates are not given enough protection against violence from other inmates, or the guards. Murder statistics are horrifying.

-- or --

2) There are no safe prisons, anywhere.

If it's (1) you'll get no argument from me.




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