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Yes, 100 %. I listen to what wokes say and do.

https://youtu.be/Ev373c7wSRg Nothing in this video is an exaggeration. They literary say these things.



Can you give me an example of a “woke”? Who is a “woke”?



Ugh, c'mon, this is Fox/CNN-tier. "The Squad" is not especially woke (maybe Ilhan Omar?), except in the minds of Republicans who want something to rail at, and Democrats who want to appeal to "the youth". Like, AOC in particular, the figurehead, is really not especially radical. Neither was Bernie (with whom she was roughly aligned), even if he did absorb and make peace with parts of BLM (actually I respected him for that; it shows he's a peacemaker -- I digress).

As a general rule, you're not going to find a lot of this woke stuff in conventional political channels. You're going to see it more in universities, or from "public intellectuals", and on Twitter.

If we're looking for someone who actually does hold political office and who might fit the bill, Chesa Boudin might be appropriate:

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2021/08/28/why-san-f...


I’m not American. I don’t think you have to tick all the extreme boxes to be considered woke. I believe their worldview fits with my first quote.


If those fine people are “wokes”, sign me up.


Those don’t say the racist things from the video but they do believe America (the West) is bad. Capitalism is bad. Meritocracy is bad. Freedom of speech is bad, … Not my worldview.


The west, capitalism and meritocracy are not beyond criticism. Those ideals aren’t perfect and fail millions of people. Self critique is important and after all, aren’t they entitled to exercise their fee speech?


They can say whatever they want. But there is a difference between self critique and self hate.

Anyway, I don’t think we’re going to come to an understanding so I’m gonna end it here. I hope you have a nice day.


> The west, capitalism and meritocracy are not beyond criticism.

This is a really good example of motte-and-bailey argumentation.

The motte (minimalist position that is uncontroversial and easy to defend) is that the west, capitalism and meritocracy are not beyond criticism. 99.9% of people beleive this.

The bailey (much more controversial position, that is hard to defend but stakes out more territory), is something like this: the west, capitalism and meritocracy are evil and must be destroyed.


I wouldn't use the term "a woke" since wokeness is an ideology not a person. Instead I might say "woke person", "wokie" or "wokist".

Robin DiAngelo, Ibram X Kendi and Kimberlé Crenshaw are pretty much canonical examples of wokies / woke people.




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