Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin

Please provide valid and reliable references for the alleged massacre of millions of Hindu.

Before Islam arrived at Mysore it was ruled by Chola dynasty [1]. This Chola dynasty cruelly attacked, murdered and conquered their South East Asian neighbours.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chola_dynasty



I think the parent's argument is more on the lines on whose politics he considers good and whose politics he considers evil.

This is just standard 'holier than thou' talk.

Every empire, nation or country ever established had to go through wars, that's just how it is. Because the existing political powers aren't exactly going welcome new political masters with roses and jasmine.

But when it's you waging wars it's for the good, when others do it, it's always evil of course.


Two objections

1. The cholas did not force their language or culture or religion, these were already Hindu regions, with extensive trade with India. Some were allies and others rivals. This is simply not even comparable to colonization. They went to war over trade and reinstated the local heirs as kings.

2. The fact that you call the chollas cruel while you take offense to Islamic invaders who clearly destroyed 100s of thousands of temples and massacred millions of Hindus. This continues in modern times, in Pakistan and Bangladesh. Proves the point you are colonised.

Inspite of all the modern education the world still sees recruitment into Al queda, ISIS or Taliban. It takes a heart of stone to defend the Islamic tyrants of the past.


Sorry to hit your nerve by mentioning 'cruel' Chola dynasty that you're compelled to reply to my same comments twice. To be honest only 'cruel' dynasty that can attacked, killed and plundered their fellow Hindu kingdoms just to install their own puppets.

I'm not sure you really understand the meaning of "colonization" that you're frequently using and dissing it [1],[2]. The British is world renowned colonizer and they performed the classic form of colonization by utilizing "divide and conquer" technique over foreign lands. Using this technique the obedient local and native rulers are maintained but the disobedient will be killed or outcast, and replaced by the new obedient rulers. These colonized kings and rulers were under complete influent of the colonizer and generally called the puppets. This is exactly what the Chola dynasty did to their fellow South East Asian neighbours unlike the Mysore or the Mughal dynasty. There is no record that the latter perform any excursion to the South East Asian neighbours apart from the peaceful trade. Please bear in mind that all of them occupied the same land albeit at different times. The 'cruel' Chola dysnasty is the classic colonizer and perhaps the British learnt their colonization technique from Chola because their modus operandi are very similar.

I'm still waiting for your credible massacres and genocides references especially performed by Tipu Sultan.

[1]https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/eng...

[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization


"This often involves the settlers dispossessing indigenous inhabitants, or instituting legal and other structures which systematically disadvantage them"

The Cholas did not do any of these. They only wanted to stop piracy and extortion which was making trade more risky. This was overall helpful to the economy of the whole region.

The Mughals imposed Jizya, imposed language, paid tributes to Afganistan. This was done as late as with Aurangazeb.

The Mopalla Hindu massacre was a continuation of Tipu's demographic change, forced conversion and raids on Hindus of the coorg in particular which went on for a period of more than 100 years by then.


Yes sure, they want to stop piracy and extortion to guarantee their trade activities. Exactly the same classic reasons given by the Dutch and British East India company to their respective government to intervene and colonize any strategic foreign land!

It seems you have cherry picked the definition that best suited your own skewed agenda. Please check the main definition from the dictionary (and also other parts of the Wikipedia), "a person who helps take control of an area or a country that is not their own, especially using force, and sends people from their own country to live there". Please check your history, Chola dynasty did sent their own people to these conquered foreign places and some of Chola descendents continued to rule several parts of South East Asian countries.

Mysore and Mughal dynasty are both from India subcontinent and according to some reputable historians that includes Afghanistan. Yes their ancestors are perhaps from somewhere else similar to Chola ruling class or upper caste who ancestors most probably from Aryan descendents originated from northern regions [1]. It just like saying now that cosmopolitan American including Irish, Chinese, Jewish, Scandinavian are all the US colonizer because their ancestors are from somewhere else eventhough they have lived there several generations for hundreds of years.

Genuinely asking you for a third time any reliable source of references regarding massacre done by Tipu Sultan, if not it's just hearsay and evil slander to systematically tarnish this Indian hero of independence, and shame on you.

[1]Tiruvalangadu Inscription States That Cholas Are Descendants of Aryan King Bharata:

https://www.indictales.com/2019/02/20/tiruvalangadu-inscript...


"India that is Bharat" is prominent in our constitution. The name Bharat comes from the name Bharata.

I do not see a reason why I need to justify why Cholas who are very much Indian with Indian roots being my hero. Whereas Mughals are foreign invaders with a fundamentalist Islamist agenda with no roots to the country or allegiance to the people are villains.

If you feel that other way, perhaps that is why Pakistan was created.

Pakistan 99% muslim

Bangladesh 25%-30% muslim (1951) -> 8% muslim (2011)

Kashmir 77% muslim (1991) -> 99% muslim (in a span of 1 month)

Al-Qaeda, Taliban, ISIS ......... the list goes on and on, this is not something from the past it is a continuing problem. This has existed since the 7th century, and seems to only get worse.

You might be from a religion of the book and perhaps that is why you are living by definitions from a dictionary, I am not. The vast majority of the Tamil people who are today citizens of Malaysia went as bonded labourers during the British era.

Why do you hate the Cholas did they destroy your culture or people or make your ancestors into refugees.

I clearly hate the Mughals because they are destructive foreign invaders blinded by theological hate for non-believers especially idol worshipers, and this is a continuing problem within the country even after the partition.



You should read my comment carefully.

I am talking about the 3 million hindus killed in Bangladesh in 1971 by Islamists.

We have had a recent genocide of 300+ Hindus in Bangladesh as we speak during the recent durga pooja.


While even one unnatural death is one too many, calling every riot a "genocide" devalues the term. If 300+ is genocide, I really hope you spoke up loud and clear when Hindu rioters killed 2000+ Muslims in Gujarat when our current Prime Minister was that state's chief minister.

Also, Wiki says that the Bangladesh liberation war led to the deaths of between 2-3 million people including Hindus. Not sure from where you got that 3 million Hindus were killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide

At this point, I feel you're just enjoying the attention you are getting on this comment thread by simply throwing around incendiary, fact free assertions.


Pakistani army and Islamic radicals in Bangladesh targeted two groups Hindus and the Intelectual class.

In total there were an estimated 2-3 million killed and at least 400000 Hindu women raped or taken as sex slaves.

Clearly the number of intellectuals would be a rounding error so one can safely use the upper bound of 3 million, I do not know if the lower bound of 2 million would make it less of a crime.

Even if you refute this clearly a Hindu population that accounted upto 25 to 30 % of the Bangladeshi population that has now been reduced to 8% is clearly something to ponder over.


300+ is Islamist in Bangladesh planned attack on Hindus is one sided.

Gujarat "riots" was started by a 300 strong Muslim mob that burnt alive 59 Hindu pilgrims. 20 muslim men including Maulanas were sentenced by the court for their premeditated crime. The Hindus too had a 2000+ casuality figure.

Clearly in both cases the perpetrators and the fault lies with radical Islamists.

Clearly underplaying the one sided attack on Hindus in the first case and blaming Hindus for the later, is both a symptom and the cause for radicalisation among the Muslims.




Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: