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Does that not qualify as a monopoly? No other company in the world has the amount of liquid cash Apple does, so if there really are informal arrangements like this I'd expect them to be heartily scrutinized at their next antitrust hearing.


Why would it?

At a much smaller scale, I have had contracts with various vendors to provide “stuff” associated with services they provide to us.

In one case, they had a facility dedicated to my company’s needs, with tooling maintained by my company. The contractor has an SLA to achieve different levels of operational readiness.

What Apple is doing is no different, except they are buying 8-9 figure tools or loaning lots of cash at favorable terms.

I certainly wouldn’t shed many years for Qualcomm, which has an actual monopoly on modems. Their lack of strategic competence isn’t Apple’s sin.


> No other company in the world has the amount of liquid cash Apple does

I'm not sure that's true these days, but, even if it is true, plenty of other companies could _raise_ it easily enough. It might make less sense for other companies, though. Like, realistically, if AMD is beating Intel already (and, for the moment, they largely are; Alder Lake is niche for now), what does being a little earlier with 3nm buy them? Is it worth the money? Perhaps not.

It's even less clear that it would be worth it for Qualcomm. For them, it's hard to see that there'd be any return; they have a captive audience already.


> even if it is true, plenty of other companies could _raise_ it easily enough

How many companies can easily raise $200 billion?

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/apple-q1-cash-hoard-heres-ho...


"plenty of other companies could _raise_ it easily enough"

This extraordinary claim that it's easy to raise 200BN is backed up by no argument or evidence?

The claim that it's more worthwhile for Apple than it is for a CPU company to have CPU production exclusivity is backed up by no argument, logic or evidence?

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.


They aren't buying up all of the infrastructure. Samsung and Intel offer the same services. It's not a monopoly for a company to pre-order ahead of time. It's like Kickstarter but at a grander level.


They aren’t preventing anyone else from becoming wealthy enough. If others wanted to do this they could use their own cash supplies (https://www.valuewalk.com/2019/11/top-10-companies-with-larg... ) or take out loans.


Technically, that's not a monopoly but rather a monopsony—a market dominated by a large buyer.


Getting an advantage by having more money than everybody else isn't a monopoly. That's just the garden-variety unfairness of capitalism.


Using lots of money to buy up all supply isn't just "garden-variety capitalism". Buying all available supply is a way to become a monopoly. You got there by having lots of money, but after you get there you are the monopoly.

Although most would argue that lower end architectures are perfectly fine replacements, so Apple gets an edge here but can't be said to be a monopoly.


It's probably market manipulation, rather than monopoly.


Buying all supply is usually called "monopolizing".


Thats true in popular disource, but there are like 20 different forms of unfair competition, ranging from collusion to dumping.

I don't have the nessesary background to know which one is applicable, but I think monopoly is not the right one.


Informal? It’s not informal. It’s part of the contract. What exactly is the monopoly/antitrust violation you are seeing?




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