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Here in Germany many small independent journalists were able to discover the industrial figures regularly interacting/receiving gifts, trips, stock certificates from Rosneft executives and oligarchs who are essentially actors for Russian government.

but still people seem genuinely shocked and continue to fall back on their myopic cold war view of the geopolitical european landscape by their mainstream media (without any suspicion or question of the narrative) it seems largely the result of being separated by the Atlantic ocean and a bulk of European countries that the average American cannot name.

Already I can see people from Poland and EU countries furiously downvoting and flagging my comments as "Russian Propaganda"

None of this is a surprise to us here in Germany, our relationship with Russia might be shocking to someone sitting in front of FOX or ABC news.

Even more shocking might be how the German elite and the working class view the Ukraine situation. To them, Ukraine was a source of worry due to its cheap labor wages and proximity to Russia would create a competing industrial center.

Even more outrageous might be how many in Germany are actually in favor of Russia's actions to take Ukraine away from EU/NATO.

It's funny to me how people still think EU can last like this.



> Even more shocking might be how the German elite and the working class view the Ukraine situation. To them, Ukraine was a source of worry due to its cheap labor wages and proximity to Russia would create a competing industrial center.

> Even more outrageous might be how many in Germany are actually in favor of Russia's actions to take Ukraine away from EU/NATO.

Both of those are very strong claims. What are your sources?


Hey, i too am a german and can confirm, that ur comment about our politic view is completly wrong. Even former kanzlerin Angela Merkel said, that we need to stoo putin now. So please stop activly missinforming people


I see you just created another nick just to pretend to be german. Oh this is quite hilarious


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Still loads of Europeans dont trust the US. 3 months ago Russia wasn't that bad and I'd expect most Europeans would be as happy to trade with Russia as the USA.




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