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Interestingly Zelensky might be easier to deepfake than other world leaders because there's more footage and a wider variety of facial expressions to train on due to his acting career


the video was pretty obviously fake though imo. i saw more real deepfakes 5 years ago


Might not be so obvious to a soldier who has slept one hour a night for the past two weeks, eaten only canned corn and tuna, hasn't gotten ammo replenishment in days, and is watching this video on a tiny cracked screen with a dying battery with the volume very low as the internet connection fades in and out.


Plus, several passes of lossy video compression.


"imo" is the right word. Majority of people that are not so computer literate will think it is real.


That's true for now, but eventually, as the technology progresses, it will take very little training data to create deepfakes of anyone unfortunately. Probably just a minute or two of video.


Is this true? I don't see much evidence that the technology is progressing in a direction where models will require less training data, if anything the trend seems to be towards models with higher and higher parameter counts.


It's somewhat true.

Better models are coming out which are already pretrained on a significant amount of data, so the model already learned a lot about what is common to all example of video generation (keeping the edges aligned coherently at every frame, keeping texture and lighting coherent etc.) and will not need to re-learn that for every target.

Since initially, deepfake models were trained from scratch for every single target, you had to provide a lot of data from the person you want to target so that the model can learn what is common as well as what is specific.

Now you can get descent performance with much less data, since you only need to learn the specifities.

However, this only helps if you need a limited deepfake: The model cannot infer the exact facial expression of the target when they are, for example, laughing unless you provided an example of that in the training data (assuming there is no way to infer the laughing expression from someone by looking at other provided expressions). It will instead generate a generic laugh. All missing informations are substituted by what was seen, on average, in the pre-training phase.

That wouldn't work for a long complex deepfake meant to be sent to someone reasonably close with the target.

But for the types of deepfake where it's targeting a personality that we all know, but not very well at all, much less data is neeeded than before for a similar result.


At least in my experience - audio is much harder to convincingly fake than video. If you have heard the real person speaking, they have very specific and distinguishable patterns of speech.

You can fake it reasonably, but you need to have a very large collection of audio clips to do so, and if you do a bad job it literally jumps out at the viewer.

Video might be off, but it requires close attention and large screens to notice - much easier to miss if you're viewing on a phone.


This is called few-shot learning (or in the limit case, with a single example, one-shot learning). One way this may be achieved by first training a very general model (maybe with huge data sets), and then fine-tuning it into a specific example (this is called transfer learning). [0]

One reason researchers suspected this must be possible is that human beings, as well as other animals, can learn stuff by watching it for just a few seconds. But we have some prior baggage, because we spent our whole lives learning.. other, vaguely related stuff, and it turns out that knowledge is often transferable.

[0] This isn't the only way, there's also meta learning


Higher parameter count and less face samples aren't mutually exclusive.

You can take a huge GAN and then use a single image of a face as a guide for navigating the latent space.


Disclaimer: I know basically nothing about ML.

I think the idea is that data needed to imitate a _specific person_ would require less data. Overall a model like that might have orders of magnitude more data in general and maybe a smaller amount required to imitate the features of a particular one.

I imagine it like - A master cabinet maker can make new variations of cabinets super easily once they've made hundreds of similar cabinets?


The real threat I think will not be in trying to trick people with fake videos, but instead deep flags: create fake videos showing awful things about the politician one wants to win, and then attribute the fakes to supporters of the guy you want to lose and make them look like animals.

Especially in coordination with a media campaign, it would be an effective way of undermining the opponent by making them look simultaneously grossly unethical and desperate. Even better if you can get the FBI involved to investigate whether the video was created directly by the opponent or "only" by his supporters. And anybody describing what actually happened could easily be straw manned into sounding like a nutter.

And the quality is already perfectly fine for this.


Not to mention, while it could be hard for random online trolls, certain state actors in your country of residence likely already have a ton of your face stored on video, celebrity or not.


Random question: Does deepfake software build a 3D model of the faces involved?


No, the idea is that the model "builds" its own complex representations directly from images.


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For him the deep fakes will be used to make considerate and respectful comments, while the real videos will be the outrageous ones :-)


That might be the best way to make him do something. When he realizes that people think the fake video makes sense, he'll claim the video was real out of spite and start defending a reasonable position.


That is hilarious. Can we use deep fakes combined with trump's spite to move him closer toward the left??


He used to be a Democrat - one of the excuses people had for voting for him was that he would really govern from the left. There are (probably authentic) photos of him palling around with the Clintons. He praised Hillary Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State.

I don't think you can deepfake Donald Trump. The man is a recursive deepfake of himself.


Trump never came around to accepting Covid had to be dealt with (doing so would have easily given him a second term), and is just barely starting to condemn Putler. This idea that Trump masterfully chooses his positions based on popular effectiveness is highly overrated.


With him, everything was a calculation. Admitting COVID was a serious issue was thought to bring an end to the stock market boom, which was the big economic win for his re-election campaign. The market crashed anyway, before recovering ahead of the election.

In any case, 2020 might be the first time enough voters realized that a bull run on Wall St doesn't move the needle much for their own economic well-being.


I don't see how this narrative makes sense, and seems to be yet another example of "4d chess". The market promptly dropped ~30% in March 2020 in response to Covid, but was then inflated with trillions of dollars of newly printed stimulus money. Which, as an aside, has finally filtered into the consumer economy causing much of the price inflation we've been suffering.

Realizing Covid wasn't going to go away and coming around to addressing Covid in June 2020 or so wouldn't have affected the market, which had already priced in Covid. But it would have made Trump an actual crisis-time leader with the corresponding popularity boost just from leading people through a difficult time - publicly validating the hardships everyone is feeling goes a long way. But instead, he dug his heels in opposition to how things were developing.

If anything, I think saying that Trump is a basic contrarian is a better predictor of his positions. The problem is that while our society has major flaws that make contrarian viewpoints compelling, contrarianism on its own does not produce useful reforms.


> But instead, he dug his heels in opposition to how things were developing

Mostly in blue states! back then, red states where doing fine, but Seattle & New York were the first major epicenters. It was a deliberate political calculus to cast Democratic-led regions as inept. Florida "banned" New Yorkers for a bit. Minimizong COVID also made businesses happy, so it appeared to be a 3-fer for Republicans, until it boomeranged.


Still, acknowledging Covid as a real problem would have let him drive the density difference even more. It's harder to blame democratic leaders as inept if you are downplaying the seriousness of the underlying problem. Also by June 2020 it was quite apparent that the problem was not going to be isolated to nursing homes etc, even if the absolute numbers weren't bad everywhere.


> It's harder to blame democratic leaders as inept if you are downplaying the seriousness of the underlying problem.

On the contrary, being confounded by an inconsequential challenge is a bigger sign of ineptitude than the reverse.


> In any case, 2020 might be the first time enough voters realized that a bull run on Wall St doesn't move the needle much for their own economic well-being.

Wall Street was on a bull run leading into 2016 too, and that realization was one of Trump's arguments at the time. Once he won, he dropped that line, but if 2020 was such a time, I'd count 2016 too




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