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Oligarchs controlling every form of my mass communication can only make things worse, though.


Isn’t that the current state of things?

If musk makes this purchase it won’t centralize power any more, but it will draw attention to how centralized that power is. Which is a good thing


You're saying that oligarchs taking control is good because it will cause more people to realize that oligarchs are taking control?


He's saying that ownership by a loud, conspicuous oligarch generates more public scrutiny than a quiet, inconspicuous one.


2016 called and wants it’s loud conspicuous oligarch back.


No, I think he is saying an oligarch that has a lot of focus on the rest of the oligarchically controlled media taking control of this piece of media already controlled by the haut bourgeois oligarchy will draw more public attention to the oligarchic control of the media without actually changing the fact of that control one bit.

Which is still, IMO, foolish, given, among other things, the degree to which large swathes of the public have parasocial relationships with the particular celebrity oligarch in question, but it's not saying that making the problem worse will draw attention.


For whatever reason people think we live in a democracy and not an oligarchy. I guess it’s in the oligarchs best interest to keep that facade up.


search news.google.com for "oligarch" and see the pattern of how the media has propagandistically twisted this word to only mean a specific kind of person now, conveniently excluding those that control our (Western) societies.


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People I don't like are racist!


Actually no, all of the racist and sexist rightwing memes he keeps shitposting on Twitter are in fact the issue.


Have heard a lot of criticisms of Musk but first time I'm seeing racist. Congrats you win the reddit award.


Have you paid attention to his Twitter feed at all in the last few years?


Is that like a level below Godwin's Law?


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Can you post some examples of "all of the racist and sexist rightwing memes he keeps shitposting on Twitter"?


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Do you have some examples?


> Oligarchs controlling every form of my mass communication can only make things worse, though

How can it make things worse when it has literally always been the case as long as there has been “mass communication”?


'Oligarchs' historically have gained influence and fielty to a nationstate. We are at a new form of Oligarchy, where the business magnates are able to operate internationally on a scale never seen before.

Historically, taxation has been the most profitable form of revenue generation. But thats no longer the case. With globalism and multi-national product creation, a single person in a nation can be many times richer than any nationstate, with technology above and beyond any nationstate. What happens when musk has electric jets and fully-reusable ICBM's, has remade the world power grid in his image, is one of few entitys even able to get to mars let alone command and control the resources of the astroid belt.


> can be many times richer than any nationstate

The US economy flits around $22 trillion per year and the US budget last year was 30% of that. There isn’t a single trillionaire in the world. The US government has the historically unprecedented ability to project hard power around the globe within hours of deciding to do so. Musk has little more than influence, and congress doesn’t seem to like him very much.


While saying any nationstate might be hyperbole, it's fair to say they surpass all but the richest.

The most recent figures I can find for Amazon's operating budget list it at well over $500B, which puts it within an order of magnitude of the single richest country in the world; it would end up in the top 10 if it were itself a country[1]

Keep in mind also that a large part of the US's wealth is derived from having these nation-state-level corporations within its financial jurisdiction.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_governmen...


If profits > tax && MultinationalProfits == True { totalWealthPercentage = totalWealthPercentage + Profits; Nationstate = nationstate + tax }

Run that through alot of loops and eventually corporations aree biggeer than any nationstate Vec<Nationstate> by design of the system.


Internet, Grid, Rockets, astroid belt.

You know there's a giant ball of platinum floating around just outside mars thats worth 1.7 Quintillian?

Today does not represent tomorrow.


My new personal pet peeve has been the torturing of the word oligarch. It’s now come to mean “rich person I don’t like.”

From my vantage point, it’s hard to see how Elon Musk is making any governmental policy decisions - and thus isn’t an oligarch. But maybe you have some examples?

Musk is extremely rich and can buy a lot of stuff. That’s entirely different than determining agricultural policy, or putting people in jail, or conducting the census, or maintaining the border, or doing anything else that a ruler does.


You’re right in the sense that people often use the term imprecisely and hyperbolically, but in this discussion they are more right than wrong, at least by this measure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy#Putative_oligarchies

> That’s entirely different than determining agricultural policy, or putting people in jail, or conducting the census, or maintaining the border, or doing anything else that a ruler does

You’re making a mistake of your own by conflating oligarchy with tyranny. They often go hand in hand, with the former generally preceding the latter. So it’s probably better to cry oligarchy before it’s a given rather than afterwards.


A better term for what people are trying to articulate is plutocracy.


The poorest 70–90% of Americans effectively have no representation – there is almost no correlation between their policy preferences and the voting record of their representatives.

On the other hand, enacted policy aligns quite well with the interests of large corporations, and I'm not aware of any causal explanation besides the obvious one.

If Elon steers Tesla and SpaceX, he is indirectly steering congress (or at least has his hand on the wheel).


That's still a far cry away from an oligarch.


Being a lawmaker in the current capitalist society doesn’t make you the ruler (see lobbying). I’d say the few that rule are those with large amount of capital and influence, so oligarch is well applied here

Edit: also one of the perks for rulers on the worse regimes (authoritarian regimes, monarchies) is that law is not the same for the few that tule than for the rest, law is definitely not the same from the point of view of this wealth maxers


Why would you lobby someone who doesn’t rule?

I’m still waiting for examples of how Musk has exercised his sovereign power.


A media company having a legal obligation to maximize profits seems at least as bad for journalism as private ownership as there's zero room for any sort of integrity.




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