> The primary motivation for holding back students _was_ gender/race concerns. It’s plainly stated in the GP’s linked document and in many other documents on the CA education “reforms” that differentiating students into different tracks is supposedly racist.
You say things like “supposedly”. What if it is?
> No, it hasn’t.
Yes, it has. I witnessed parents complaining about the removal of specialized tracks in the 90’s, in nearly 100% white communities. It had nothing to do with race, and everything do with with parents not wanting to accept that their kid didn’t have the same abilities as other kids. Maybe the focus has changed to race now, but this is nothing new.
> I see you’re not familiar with the history of American discrimination towards Asians. Maybe we do need some education in our schools on racism against Asians to teach people like you?
People like me? That’s very rude, and very much in bad faith, which is against the HN guidelines. I’ve tried to avoid that language myself, and would appreciate if you did as well. As for me not being familiar, my father was in an internment camp. I'm likely more familiar than you are.
> I don’t see how you can compare gay bashing to literal concentration camps, systemic bans on Chinese immigration, and indentured servitude of Chinese railroad workers.
Yes, I am comparing the murder and system oppression of gay people. I am also comparing the enslavement and systemic oppression of black people.
It seems that your question is why don’t we focus more on the oppression of Asian people? You answered it in your previous reply:
> Because Asians are “overrepresented”
It makes more sense focus on underrepresented groups than overrepresented groups when trying to address systemic issues. It’s more efficient.
> Would you feel the same if you worked your ass off and got rejected but saw people with inferior achievements around you get accepted because of their skin color? If I was your boss and I promoted your black coworker over you because of his skin color wouldn’t you be mad? Don’t dismiss the hard work of millions of high school students applying to college with a simple “being rejected by Harvard”.
If you believe that differentiating students into classes appropriate for their skill level and knowledge is racist, then there is nothing I can say to convince you that any of my opinions are right.
If you can't see that this topic is far more nuanced than streams=good no_streams=bad, then there's nothing I can say to convince you that any of my opinions are right.
Note that I didn't state an opinion. I said:
> You say things like “supposedly”. What if it is?
Are you are completely closed off to the idea that there may be more to this than you currently think?
You say things like “supposedly”. What if it is?
> No, it hasn’t.
Yes, it has. I witnessed parents complaining about the removal of specialized tracks in the 90’s, in nearly 100% white communities. It had nothing to do with race, and everything do with with parents not wanting to accept that their kid didn’t have the same abilities as other kids. Maybe the focus has changed to race now, but this is nothing new.
> I see you’re not familiar with the history of American discrimination towards Asians. Maybe we do need some education in our schools on racism against Asians to teach people like you?
People like me? That’s very rude, and very much in bad faith, which is against the HN guidelines. I’ve tried to avoid that language myself, and would appreciate if you did as well. As for me not being familiar, my father was in an internment camp. I'm likely more familiar than you are.
> I don’t see how you can compare gay bashing to literal concentration camps, systemic bans on Chinese immigration, and indentured servitude of Chinese railroad workers.
Yes, I am comparing the murder and system oppression of gay people. I am also comparing the enslavement and systemic oppression of black people.
It seems that your question is why don’t we focus more on the oppression of Asian people? You answered it in your previous reply:
> Because Asians are “overrepresented”
It makes more sense focus on underrepresented groups than overrepresented groups when trying to address systemic issues. It’s more efficient.
> Would you feel the same if you worked your ass off and got rejected but saw people with inferior achievements around you get accepted because of their skin color? If I was your boss and I promoted your black coworker over you because of his skin color wouldn’t you be mad? Don’t dismiss the hard work of millions of high school students applying to college with a simple “being rejected by Harvard”.
Yes, my answer would absolutely be the same.