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I'm a European. I think we have to accept that not the whole world has to care about a war in eastern Europe. For us, it's the world, but it's hypocritical to demand that everyone pays attention to our crisis.



I generally agree - but considering this conflict could (unlikely but possibly) become a world war then, yes, other countries should pay attention.


> yes, other countries should pay attention.

India is paying attention but India also knows that Russia has been good partner in the past, lot of Indian military has Russian equipment. You dont want to piss off your military partner.


If you're afraid of p!ssing off your military partner when it comes to quite simple right and wrong ... then they aren't your military partner, you are the slave, they are the master.


What is right and wrong?

US killed millions of Iraqis and Afghans, yet Europeans still support the US, is it because Europeans are slaves and the US is master or is it because brown lives are worth less than white lives?


To stay on point ... a good partnership depends on shared values, which may (and probably should) extend to similarities in what is viewed as right and wrong.

If you cannot agree on that, or negotiate and compromise on that right or wrong, or influence your partner when you think things are going wrong, then ... it's not a partnership.


To stay on point by your own definition is there a slave master partnership between Europe and US because US kept killing millions of Iraqis and Afghans and Europe also shares those values or does Europe not share those values yet still keep partnering with US because they need US protection against Russia?


"Let me stay on point ... by straying off point"

Sorry you couldn't stick with it.


Next time just remember, don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.


Should it be considered world war if it's only NATO vs Russia? WW2 involved millions from commonwealth(India contributed the largest volunteer military), I don't see India, China and Africa getting involved into NATO-Russia war directly. That excludes majority of the world's population.


True.

It does, but similar risks have come by before (in S Asia). India & Pakistan had a full confrontation in 1990s, when they were both nuclear capable & backed by Russia and US respectively. People at the helm of warcraft perhaps know where to draw the line. It is highly unlikely Putin will use tactical nukes or pre-emptively strike US/EU, no matter how grim the war looks.

People do not realize that the game of brinksmanship has played out several times in the past. We empathize Ukraine because news coverage & social media have brought the sounds of guns and rocket right to our doorstep. Horrific war crimes have happened, countless people died & children orphaned in Kosovo, Palestine, Kashmir etc. - but we can't connect with it because we don't see it flashed in the daily news.


It's very hard to understand what is actually at stake - how would nuclear weapons use actually play out. I'm curious, I just don't know. I have to imagine that and actual use of nuclear weapons would play out very differently from how it's often imagined (i.e the mutually assured destruction idea, or the end of all life on the planet meme).

My gut tells me that the balance of power is not at all as "equal" as it's claimed ("both sides have nukes") but there is enough uncertainly on all sides to want to test it.

The "usual" rules of gradual escalation probably apply. Of course, it's best to avoid any escalation because it can be an uncontrollable situation.


The balance of power is ”both sides have nukes _and_ something to lose”

If a country is experiencing mass psychosis and wants to commit murder-suicide, it doesn’t really help that the other countries have nukes too


> It is highly unlikely Putin will use tactical nukes or pre-emptively strike US/EU, no matter how grim the war looks.

I wouldn't be so sure about this. He has working hypersonics and this advantage would last very short time. Currently those hypersonics can't be even detected in time before they hit their targets and there is no real defense against them. He might just launch 100-200 of them with 100kT payload at military/strategic targets in Europe at the same time, level down parts of countries without any response outside submarines or US strategic nukes (their flight time is in minutes anywhere in Europe, insufficient time to react), and then given Europe would be written off for a century, he can try to negotiate terms with the US, assuming MAD is given if diplomacy fails and there is a proof already (destroyed Europe).

He perceives UA effectively in NATO (given heavy arm supplies) as an existential risk for Russia, so he might go all in.




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